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shoju
So, Frag is a good friend of mine, and we'd been talking this summer about my lack of a good guild on my server. It's not even the lack of a good guild, it's the lack of anything casual on my server.

I'm a horde prot pally tried and true. I've got the gear to get into, and hold my own in Kara, and tank most heroics. I haven't tried several of the 'nastier' heroics because....... well my server is all about 'easy PUG's' where everyone is t5-6 geared and it's badge farming 45min runs. I was in a guild with a raid calendar and multiple runs a week (kara). They did it this way so that we could have fun, not have to worry about an attendance policy, and get badges.

Well.... After a couple of weeks, and a couple of HORRID debacles, I got 0 badges as a result of the guild. All my badges came from heroics or PuG partials on Kara.

What am I looking for? A home. Some place where I can set up a run and go do kara, gruuls, and mags, and maybe (hopefully) before Wotlk get in some ZA runs.

Is Terenas a place where I could do this? I know you guys are in Hyjal and BT, but he said that it wasn't a guild like what I was used to. If it's not a guild where I can get what I need, that's totally cool, I'm just weighing options right now. If you want to know what my pally is geared in, check the sig, that's what I run 5 mans and heroics in. I can attain uncrush without sacrificing too much. I stay above 12k hp, and 14k armor unbuffed.

Let me know, or let me know if there is a lurker place that I could call home. I'm just wanting to see as much of my content wish list as possible before Wotlk.
GojuKaine
I'm in the same situation as Shoju. But that could be because we run together. I play Druid because Tauren is the superior race (though that's neither here nor there) and can be checked on the Armory though I'm in my kitty gear. I too am Kara quality geared. I've even gone so far as to create a lowbie over on Terenas and test the water. I'm spending all logged time in the Lurker channel though there isn't much activity there right now.

I know that Shoju is looking for a home, but I think it's safe to say we're looking for a home together. (That sounded less gay in my head) Someplace we can run instances with people who are cool, know what their doing and don't care that we aren't geared in t6 gear.

Thanks.
Mirajj
Dropped this in the right place for you two. wink.gif
shoju
Sorry for posting in wrong spot. Thanks for moving.
RTM
I don't think folks do much talking in the /lurker channel. If you've created a lowbie and want to check out the guild, do a /who Lurkers, whisper someone, and we can get you a /ginvite. You can hang out for a bit and see what we're all about. Or if you want to pop into Teamspeak during a raid too I'm sure that could be arranged. smile.gif

You should know that any friends/acquaintances of Frag are subject to a special rank that only allows you to say the words "Frag", "is", "a", and "noob" (or a combination thereof) in /g.


<3 Frag wub.gif
GojuKaine
Then I'll attempt to get myself a ginvite tonight. If it helps I'm housebroken.
shoju
LOL Awesome. I will add my lowbie toon and poke around a bit. THe only thing that keeps me from just doin' the transfer to give it a go, is that it's the ultimate one way ticket. I'm currently on a PVP server, so there is no going back to the samer server in 90 days if I don't like it.


I will at some point, add Junzo (the evilest undead warlock of them all) to the guild and poke around. I will also make sure that I make a frag is a noob comment when I can. Shame he wont see it tho
swirly
Some details on heroics/kara/ZA/beyond.

Guild heroics happen and generally just involve taking whoever wants to go instead of worrying too much about groups overly stomping a place. That being said, most heroic runs at this point do tend to be stomps. There isn't really any schedule for when heroics happen. It is mostly just a matter of enough being on, somebody asking/organizing a run, and enough of those on actually wanting to bother. So a lot depends on the moods of people. Some weeks hardly a heroic will happen and then other weeks there will be 2-3 a day. It is quite variable. One does tend to find that it is a certain subset of the guild that does heroics though so you develop a knowledge for when a run might happen based on the particular people who are on.

Anymore Kara and ZA are ran like heroics. People notice enough being on and try to get a run going. Sometimes there are also posts on the forums telling people that a person would like a run at a specific time/date, but I tend to find that isn't the majority option. Kara generally tends towards being a stomp for badges since most people are over-geared for it. Occasionally we do get groups with enough alts/less played characters that there are more issues though. So it is less the always stomp that heroics are. I can't say that there is a regular kara run that happens. It is largely dependent on what people are pushing for at any one time. 10 mans are also quite common as late runs after quit time for 25 mans.

ZA is the same way in that it is ran mostly based on people just asking when they see enough on. There has been a bit of drama lately with it and people not wanting to go enough or caring to improve enough for 3 timers. My general feeling is that the majority of runs will get 2 timers with occassional 3 timer runs and occassional completely horrid runs heh. I'd say probably 1 ZA run happens per week, but that is purely a guess.

25 mans are ran tuesdays and fridays with invites at 7:30 server and start at 8. The focus is currently Vashj then Kael. Threads are posted each week for signups. While only being kara/heroic geared could mean a slight undergearing, we usually are struggling to get 25 people anyway so I wouldn't be surprised if you could get on every 25 man raid if you so wanted. It is by no means required though. Raiding is purely optional.

So there is an attempt by me to give you some idea of the state of things in the guild so you have some clue if it might work or might not work for you.
shoju
Cool. THanks for the reply. That honestly sounds like fun. It's not even that I mind being part of a "stomping" of an instance, but people on 'scalp get furious when I get to the instance, and I'm not all pastel purple or floating Halo.

I would have no problem runnning heroic as DPS, kara as OT or DPS (I have terrible DPS set) or even Off healing in KAra (I have a FoL Spam Set). It's more about just running with a guild who would be understanding of my gearing and life.

I (and Kaine as well) are both married, have non-gamer wives and small children (My oldest plays WoW..... but let's not talk about that). We would love to do 25 man content if we weren't a detriment to the raid.

I will get on my lock tonite and get someone to ginvite me, and talk to more people. I don't want people to think that I expect something that frag 'promised' or anything. He just said that you guys were a cool crew, who were smart about things (I suffered from bad player disease for a long time, and then learned the err of my ways LOL), and that it might be possible to find a home here.

What time zone is the server on? I'm EST.
swirly
QUOTE(shoju @ Aug 22 2008, 02:47 PM) *

I (and Kaine as well) are both married, have non-gamer wives and small children (My oldest plays WoW..... but let's not talk about that). We would love to do 25 man content if we weren't a detriment to the raid.

I have heard it remarked before that Lurkers on Terenas are a bit odd in that the majority are adults instead of teenagers. I'd say the average age is around 30 with a good amount in the 20's, a good amount in the 30's, and some to either extreme as well. I might even go so far as to raise the average to 35. I've not been keeping up with ages too well. All are welcome, but there is generally a higher maturity standard than most guilds and people understand things like being married and getting wife aggro. So sounds to me like you would fit right in.

QUOTE(shoju @ Aug 22 2008, 02:47 PM) *

What time zone is the server on? I'm EST.


QUOTE("wowwiki.com")

Terenas is a Player vs Environment server for Blizzard's MMORPG, World of Warcraft. This is a Mountain Timezone server. This server was one of the original servers created by Blizzard.
Klaus
QUOTE(shoju @ Aug 22 2008, 01:47 PM) *

Cool. THanks for the reply. That honestly sounds like fun. It's not even that I mind being part of a "stomping" of an instance, but people on 'scalp get furious when I get to the instance, and I'm not all pastel purple or floating Halo.

I would have no problem runnning heroic as DPS, kara as OT or DPS (I have terrible DPS set) or even Off healing in KAra (I have a FoL Spam Set). It's more about just running with a guild who would be understanding of my gearing and life.

I (and Kaine as well) are both married, have non-gamer wives and small children (My oldest plays WoW..... but let's not talk about that). We would love to do 25 man content if we weren't a detriment to the raid.

I will get on my lock tonite and get someone to ginvite me, and talk to more people. I don't want people to think that I expect something that frag 'promised' or anything. He just said that you guys were a cool crew, who were smart about things (I suffered from bad player disease for a long time, and then learned the err of my ways LOL), and that it might be possible to find a home here.

What time zone is the server on? I'm EST.


Terenas is mountain time, so 2 hours behind you. We don't really care what your gear is like - if it's lacking, you get upgrades and then it isn't lacking anymore. We've had new 70's in mostly greens into T5 and T6 content - in most cases having someone there is better than an empty slot. Really what we care about is personality - do you fit with the guild or not? Your initial posts seem promising - you can spell, form complete sentences and use punctuation. smile.gif
RTM
Like Swirly said, the server itself is MST which is 2 hours behind EST. So the 8:00 raid start time is actually 10:00 EST. A lot of the guild is MST but there are a few of us EST'ers, myself included. There's usually a decent selection of folks from various time zones who are on.
Concillian
QUOTE(shoju @ Aug 22 2008, 11:46 AM) *

LOL Awesome. I will add my lowbie toon and poke around a bit. THe only thing that keeps me from just doin' the transfer to give it a go, is that it's the ultimate one way ticket. I'm currently on a PVP server, so there is no going back to the samer server in 90 days if I don't like it.


This is probably the largest adjustment.

I would go so far as to say the guild as a whole is VERY non-PvP oriented. I spend a lot of time PvPing, probably the most in the guild, rapidly approaching 100k combined HKs on my various toons. There are a few who do some arenas and such semi-seriously, but nobody else that I know really keeps up with arena events, PvP balence, etc...

I think there was one horde gladiator team last season on the whole server. By and large, if you're interested in competitive arena play at any level, you are going to be searching long and hard for good partners. There are a few decent PvPers in the guild, but none of us consider ourselves good, let alone great.

I've never been on a PvP server, but the mentality is different on a Normal ruleset server.
shoju
QUOTE(Concillian @ Aug 22 2008, 04:14 PM) *

This is probably the largest adjustment.

I would go so far as to say the guild as a whole is VERY non-PvP oriented. I spend a lot of time PvPing, probably the most in the guild, rapidly approaching 100k combined HKs on my various toons. There are a few who do some arenas and such semi-seriously, but nobody else that I know really keeps up with arena events, PvP balence, etc...

I think there was one horde gladiator team last season on the whole server. By and large, if you're interested in competitive arena play at any level, you are going to be searching long and hard for good partners. There are a few decent PvPers in the guild, but none of us consider ourselves good, let alone great.

I've never been on a PvP server, but the mentality is different on a Normal ruleset server.


I'm not looking for PVP really. I rolled on a PVP server because that's where my friends were. The only fear that I have is that if something didn't work out, I couldn't bring the pally 'home', and I can't afford to move all of my toons at once (pally, rogue, mage, and twink.... the others can rot).

I have a rogue that I pvp with, but I'm even getting him into some PVE gear because I can't seem to get anyone to consistently want to run 2's. I wouldn't say that i'm 'good' at PVP. I can't seem to get a team to stay near 1500, let alone get above it.

The biggest boon I see in coming to a PVE server is that I can run dailies with my pally, and not have to worry about getting ganked. I may be able to take a hit, but I certainly have problems killing someone.

Thanks for being interested in talking about it with us. We were more than discouraged by our guild merger, and then that guild merging with another guild. We now feel like we are on the outside of two cliques in the guild.
shoju
Well.. It's official. I'm transferring my paladin to Terenas to join the lurkers as long as you will still have me.

GojuKaine Said he had excellent dealings with you guys over the weekend (tsuruchi on realm), and really, that's all I need to know. If he was happy, then that's more than enough for me.

A friend of mine has a lowbie toon on that server he wants to get some gold too so I will be waiting till he gives me the gold. (so xfer tomorrow or weds...)

Any thoughts on AH economy and what sells abnormally high on the server? I have chanter, alch/herb, and pally is eng that I could shift mats around on to help give me some extra scratch till i get setup.
PapaSmurf
We love our pally tanks! Great to have you bring your pally over. We hope you'll enjoy it here.

PS
shoju
Well.... If I enjoy it, how do you feel about rogues and mages?

I have a 70 rogue and a 63 mage that I'm trying to get to 70 JUST so I can tank Krosh before wotlk. I don't care about any other content on the mage except that. I will probably be walking into wotlk with the mage in some silly silly gear.
RTM
At the moment 'm the only raiding rogue main, although a lot of folks have alts who come along to raids from time to time. It gets pretty lonely in /lurkersrogues, I'm not going to lie to you. smile.gif

Our class balance varies wildly as time passes. At any given time we've had a glut/shortage of hunters, mages, priests, druids, paladins... I think there was one raid where we had so many paladins I was getting BoW. smile.gif And then there was the time we had 6 or 7 warlocks on a Gruul run.

Terenas Horde doesn't have a huge population, so the AH won't move stuff as fast or in as large a quantity as a more populated faction or server. There aren't many raiding guilds doing Sunwell (maybe only one? I haven't checked in awhile) so a lot of the high-end consumable crafting mats aren't in huge demand. Not sure what to tell you to xfer with. Your best bet would probably be to check the prices of popular crafting mats on your server (Primal Airs, Large Prismatics, etc.) and compare prices over here.
shoju
Will do.

I don't raid much with my rogue, because I hate him. It's more a hating of the class, but that's a rant for some other time LOL. (I have a dissertation on why every class is better in a raid setting than a rouge even with less DPS)

I checked before, and primals seem a lot cheaper on Terenas than on 'scalp. On scalp it's nothing to drop 50g on primal fire or shadow. ( I know these prices because I'm trying to stockpile mats for frozen shadoweave).

I haven't checked enchanting mats yet. I will have to check them out and see if I can D/E for a profit when I xfer. Arcane Dust is about 1g each, LPS are 20-25, and crystal fluxuate so wildly it's hard to price them.

We have a couple of sunwell trash pugs going, and 3 horde guilds in sunwell, but they are all at twins or mu'ru.



Hopefully I will be xfer'd by weds. and could maybe tag along on something thursday night, or get a kara group or somethin' this week.
Pete
Hi,

QUOTE(shoju @ Aug 25 2008, 08:52 AM) *

I checked before, and primals seem a lot cheaper on Terenas than on 'scalp. On scalp it's nothing to drop 50g on primal fire or shadow. ( I know these prices because I'm trying to stockpile mats for frozen shadoweave).

I haven't checked enchanting mats yet. I will have to check them out and see if I can D/E for a profit when I xfer. Arcane Dust is about 1g each, LPS are 20-25, and crystal fluxuate so wildly it's hard to price them.

I'm probably telling you something you already know, but . . .

I find that WoWecon is a great resource for AH trading. In combination with the new Auctioneer Advanced it will help both on a server and across servers.

Good luck,

--Pete
shoju
So just an update for those who read and aren't on Terenas, or for anyone wondering what we think of the transfer.


7 days into the xfer and I think that it's safe to say we are in love with the new server.

THanks all.
Mordekhuul
QUOTE(shoju @ Sep 2 2008, 09:51 AM) *

So just an update for those who read and aren't on Terenas, or for anyone wondering what we think of the transfer.
7 days into the xfer and I think that it's safe to say we are in love with the new server.

THanks all.


Awesome. Lurkers are great people, so I'm not surprised, though. =)
shoju
I agree. The Lurker community is a killer group of people. In 7 days of time in the guild, I have run enough to get 32 badges.

I know that isn't a lot to some people, but in the past 60 days over a guild that got merged into another, I got....... 5
Gnollguy
QUOTE(shoju @ Sep 2 2008, 10:07 AM) *

I agree. The Lurker community is a killer group of people. In 7 days of time in the guild, I have run enough to get 32 badges.

I know that isn't a lot to some people, but in the past 60 days over a guild that got merged into another, I got....... 5


Yeah but I don't think we've had a chance to kill you while you've been mind controlled yet.....


I'm glad Frag pointed you guys are way too.
shoju
Killed while mind controlled? is this some form of initiation? I'm down for whatever. (including dying for the cause LOL)
GojuKaine
I got killed while mind controlled on Leo. It was epic to hear in Teamspeak "Kill Hinome....again."

I love it here.
Treesh
Well, we are definitely glad to have you both. =)

*huggle*
GojuKaine
And that's why we love it here. People are genuinely happy to have us around.
VoiceMan
Hehe, sorry for having to kill you. Next time make sure you switch onto your shade of yourself to kill it so you dont' get mind controlled, and you'll be golden. smile.gif
GojuKaine
I tried to kill it but wasn't quite fast enough.
RTM
QUOTE(GojuKaine @ Sep 5 2008, 12:59 PM) *

I tried to kill it but wasn't quite fast enough.



If it makes you feel any better, I failed to kill my shade once. As a combat rogue. Which is arguably the class who has the easiest time with them. And it was by no means on my first Leo attempt either. smile.gif
Jester
QUOTE(GojuKaine @ Sep 5 2008, 10:59 AM) *

I tried to kill it but wasn't quite fast enough.


The margin for error gets a lot easier as your gear increases. A new 70 only has barely enough time to kill the demon, and small bits of bad luck or confusion can put you out of the running entirely. That's one part of the fight that definitely gets easier with gear, which will come along soon, I'm sure. biggrin.gif

-Jester
Gnollguy
QUOTE(Jester @ Sep 5 2008, 01:16 PM) *

The margin for error gets a lot easier as your gear increases. A new 70 only has barely enough time to kill the demon, and small bits of bad luck or confusion can put you out of the running entirely. That's one part of the fight that definitely gets easier with gear, which will come along soon, I'm sure. biggrin.gif

-Jester


Yeah, though for a prot warrior it's still mostly about timing spell reflect. I still remember when Kam didn't kill his demon, we wiped and I was still alived but I was still able to be summoned back to the entrance to SSC and chuckling that melee could only hit me for like 1 - 4 damage. smile.gif Of course there were a few casters up there who finally killed me. That was a fun night. smile.gif
Klaus
QUOTE(GojuKaine @ Sep 5 2008, 10:59 AM) *

I tried to kill it but wasn't quite fast enough.


Well, since you didn't finish him off the first time, when you got another one I admit that I targetted you before you got MCed. smile.gif I got to see how close you got your demon, and it was very close.

I think the biggest trick to killing them is being ready for it. I save my two nukes (which are on cooldowns) until I know if I have a demon or not. As a rogue or cat, I think I would let energy regen until demons came up so you'd be ready to smear it if you got one.

Mordekhuul
I remember once we had a warlock fail to kill his demon. That's a hard one to understand...
shoju
I'm not going to lie, I was praying that I wouldn't get a demon. I would have had a hard time taking him down (roll the bar to offensive spells, and then beat on it)

Are they demons? Could I put it to him with exo?
Mordekhuul
QUOTE(shoju @ Sep 5 2008, 04:32 PM) *

I'm not going to lie, I was praying that I wouldn't get a demon. I would have had a hard time taking him down (roll the bar to offensive spells, and then beat on it)

Are they demons? Could I put it to him with exo?


Yup.

Paladin has it pretty good on demon killing. Avenging Wrath, exorcism, consecration, judgement of righteousness, plus melee hits, and they take extra damage from holy.
Treesh
QUOTE(Mordekhuul @ Sep 5 2008, 01:45 PM) *

I remember once we had a warlock fail to kill his demon. That's a hard one to understand...

This wouldn't happen to be a warlock whose name starts with an "M", would it? wink.gif
Mordekhuul
QUOTE(Treesh @ Sep 5 2008, 05:00 PM) *

This wouldn't happen to be a warlock whose name starts with an "M", would it? wink.gif


That's just a myth. I don't believe he exists, personally.
shoju
QUOTE(Mordekhuul @ Sep 5 2008, 05:54 PM) *

Yup.

Paladin has it pretty good on demon killing. Avenging Wrath, exorcism, consecration, judgement of righteousness, plus melee hits, and they take extra damage from holy.



Oh. My. GOD.

OK, never mind, next time, I want a demon. I want to see just how fast I can rip it apart. In my heal gear I have..... 600ish spell damage.
GojuKaine
I found out what my problem was and will be able to down one in the future.
Mirajj
The...second or third time I saw my demon, I didn't kill it. I had it almost dead and in melee range of me. I figured, no problem. A Raptor Strike or melee hit, and it's gone.

Miss, miss, miss, miss....You are MC'ed...
Chesspiece_face
Semi-Thread Hijack. (or possibly renewal.)

I am presently in the same boat that shoju was in and looking for a decent server to transfer onto. I previously spent a decent amount of time playing on stormrage in the lurker guild there but when RL friends started playing again i re-rolled back to Bronzebeard. Now with the expansion coming up our small group is looking to abandon the pitiful state of play on our present server.

We have about 5-7 people looking to find a server horde side with a more reliable community. I've noticed the post regarding the maintenance being done on the lurker guild on Teranas and if there is room for us over there i'll start pointing people to this site to try to start the move.

Do you use a guild alliance of any sort like the stormrage lurkers with GEM? (if there isn't a lot of room actually in the guild, but you use a GEM type alliance, we still may be interested in moving to this server while using GEM to play with cool people.)

Optimally i think we would like to settle on a new server sometime in the next month so that we can get grounded over the next couple months before the expansion hits. (now that all the rumors are saying a january release.) Having myself played with lurkers in a couple games I think this will be the best fit for our group so if it's doable let me know.
RTM
We're always up for more Lurkers. smile.gif We don't have a guild alliance although there are a few guilds on the server we're on friendly terms with and have raided with in the past. You've been a Lurker for awhile so you are familiar with the culture- mature (more or less wink.gif), quality players who do their homework and are easy to get along with. My advice (same as to Shoju) would be to create some low-level alts, join the guild, and try us out for awhile.
Gnollguy
QUOTE(Chesspiece_face @ Sep 13 2008, 02:27 PM) *

I am presently in the same boat that shoju was in and looking for a decent server to transfer onto. I previously spent a decent amount of time playing on stormrage in the lurker guild there but when RL friends started playing again i re-rolled back to Bronzebeard. Now with the expansion coming up our small group is looking to abandon the pitiful state of play on our present server.


What RTM said in his post.

Though I do want to point out that the server is a mountain time server and much of the scheduling is based on that. Our 25 man raids start at 8 server which is 10 eastern.

The focus in WotLK will be on 10 mans though and we do have enough east coasters and central time zone folks that it's possible that there will be regularly scheduled 10 mans at earlier time. We do "guild pick-up" runs of Kara and ZA that start at 6 and 6:30 server at times already (which again would be 8 - 8:30 eastern).

Another note on the "10 man focus". It's not that we won't do 25 man raids if we have the people and make it work, but we have a lot of trouble filling the 25 man rosters right now and we don't ever plan on actively recruiting again. We like to raid and progress but we aren't a raiding guild. We have been trying to do 25 man raids 2 nights a week with each raid session only being 3 - 4 hours. So yeah, 6-8 hours a week of raiding. I realize some guilds do nearly that much in one day/night. We've cleared SSC, 3/4 TK, 4/5 MH, 2/9 BT right now. So we do make progress, but lack of time slows us down, that was the biggest hurdle for Vashj honestly was just getting enough practice time. I think it was 50-60 real pulls before the, but some nights we only got 3 pulls in because while you don't have to kill Hydross, we liked to get her and Lurker down and some nights we would start with only 15 or so raiders and be slowed, our rosters change a fair bit too. Real raid guilds would likely get those 50-60 pulls in 2 - 5 raids, so just one week. For us 50-60 pulls was like a month especially since some of the scheduled nights real life would cause too many people to not be able to make it and the 25 mans don't go. I don't think we got a 25 man off the ground this week. Things came up.

But it's been tough to keep the sign-ups and as mentioned we just don't want to recruit to do it. We still get new people in the guild and we welcome them, but we are picky and slow about it. smile.gif Actually right now the officers are working on a post to sticky that explains how we do guild invites now. Essentially it boils down to people that like the culture of these forums since the guild was born from the forums not the other way around like many guilds. smile.gif

10 mans will just be easier to make sure we can run them all the time and we may do 2x10 mans in a raid lock instead of a 1x 25 man. Or if we always have 30 people signing up we'll do 25 mans and still might do 1 or 2 locks of the 10 mans, who knows.

But I think we've had some people join lately that assume we are more like a typical raiding guild. We aren't we probably raid about half as much as the crew on Stormrage did. We've got too many players that can only put in a 3-5 hour time chunk 1 night a week. smile.gif


Edit: A clearer way to clarify the WotLK raiding is we are going to do what works better for folks schedules. If 25 mans work better for 90%+ of the guild and the other 10% that wants to see content is fine with it being in a 10 man, we'll do 25 mans with 10 mans for those who can't make the 25 mans. Though since 25 mans take more commitment if 100% of the people can make scheduled 10 mans but only 50% of the people can make scheduled 25 mans and we only have 40 people than 25 mans likely won't happen at all since there will only be 20 people for them. 10 mans seem to be the easier way to go and I like the idea that we very well could support locks that start at 4-6 server (6-8 eastern) and support locks that start at 8-9 server (10-11 Eastern) and get more people in more content, even if it isn't the big content.

It's also possible we might work a deal with Keepers so that the our folks who want to see 25 man stuff can do it with them and we only ever worry about 10 man. I don't think that will be found out till WotLK is live though and we'll have time as people are leveling to 80 anyway.
Chesspiece_face
QUOTE(Gnollguy @ Sep 13 2008, 09:26 PM) *

What RTM said in his post.
*clip*


Speaking for myself, this is pretty much what i would expect from a lurker guild and what i'm looking for in WoW. I gave up on hardcore raiding prior to BC and just do content when i feel like it and when people are around. I'm mostly looking for a place where when i do feel like doing runs/raids/etc there are cool people to do it with.

From what i can tell people are leaning towards moving to Teranas so in the next couple weeks i'll probably send out some whispers to try to get /ginvites!

Vii
Hi Lurkers

I am a guild mate of Chesspiece_face and he has mentioned the possibility of joining your crew. I understand that you are not a hardcore raiding guild, and that is fine by me. I left "hardcore" a while back. We are a small group of players on a rather crappy server. Most of us in the guild (actually all other than Chesspiece_face) are on the West Coast, and Bronzebeard is a West Coast server, but most players are on the server are East Coast, which means most guilds raid far too early for us to join in. And pugging is ridiculous now...for heroics if you are not t5 you are gonna get ignored because all groups want to speed run for badges.

I have a Prot Warrior that I am considering for transfer. Rather new at 70, so my gear needs help, but I think I am pretty good at tanking, and really enjoy it.

We have a sweet little group that can do all the 5mans (warrior/priest/ret paladin/shaman/rogue) but getting everyone in at that same time can be difficult.

I also have a 70 Hunter (4/5 T4, might be wearing random purples in armory) and a 70 Priest (usually Holy, but spec'd Shadow atm so I can get some dailies done quicker). I am not planning on transferring them, but if they would be helpful/welcome in your raid groups, I would certainly consider moving them.

What we are really looking for is a group that we can run instances with. Sure, getting some KZ or ZA (or even beyond) would be super, but few of us are geared for that.

Thanks for reading.
Gnollguy
QUOTE(Vii @ Sep 15 2008, 07:40 PM) *

What we are really looking for is a group that we can run instances with. Sure, getting some KZ or ZA (or even beyond) would be super, but few of us are geared for that.


OK I keep reading this from people and I keep laughing at it.

We've had toons that were literally 70 for only an hour or so, in mostly greens in T6 content with us. Yes I fully understand that this can be frustrating for the person playing that toon and it certainly isn't as helpful as that same toon played well wearing T4 or T5 or T6 gear. But it's better than going with 23 or 24 people. Yes I make the assumption that the undergearer toon has done their homework and found out how the encounter works or at least has asked someone else playing their class to give them the basics. 500-600 DPS from a new L70 hunter in greens and blues who understands shot rotations and knows how to "stay out of the fire" so they aren't really adding any healing burden certainly is not a well geared hunter doing 1300 - 1600 DPS. But they are certainly better than zero DPS from having no one there. They are better than a well geared hunter who doesn't understand shot rotations and is still only doing 500-600 DPS. Or a well geared hunter who understands shot rotations and can do 1300 - 1600 DPS but dies after only 10-30% of the fight is over on a consistent basis (we all make mistakes or suffer from lag spikes or have a cat jump on our keyboard and the best of us can muck up and die early every now and then).

Gear is a side effect of the game (even though it's required to progress your toons after a certain point and a minimal level is required to be able to unlock new content as well). I know that isn't the attitude of everyone in the guild and I've obsessed over pieces of gear as well. Heck I talk about gear all the time. I mention weekly that I want X or Y in guild chat on my hunter even. However if I don't get it and we keep on making progress on Kael or in BT I'll be happy. Even if it takes a long time to make any of that progress. To me (and many others in the guild) the goal of the game is to do the best I can with what I have and have fun with people I like. I'm willing to work with that any time any place. It means we've gone into raids at times with very little chance to win. Everything has to go perfect for us to win because we have no margin for error with the gear or the raid composition we are running with or the numbers because we are going in with only 20 people or whatever. Often we fail in those situations or only partially succeed, but many of us still have quite a lot of fun trying. Sometimes we win in those situations as well because everyone does perform perfectly. And those are fun too.

Goofing off is encouraged to a point. But it's expected that if goofing off caused a problem that you are able to turn on the "serious" and get the job done after the issues have come up. The game is for fun. And we understand this doesn't fit everyone. Which is why I try to be up front about it. It's why we've had a few members raid with other guilds because the fun for them is more about progressing (seeing new content) or progressing faster than what we push for.

But I want to clear up that just because your gear is not where you want it to be or where it's generally expected for it to be for certain content shouldn't mean you should exclude yourself from content with us. Yes, if we do somehow ever manage to get more than 25 signed up for a raid, gear can come into consideration. There are some fights where if you can't reach X HP or X DPS then you actually can be a detriment to the raid. But most raid encounters even if you die right away you have still likely helped the raid more than if you were an empty spot. smile.gif

So yeah we are an exception when it comes to raiding. Some of that is from the fact that we can't always fill rosters. But even when we could, we run a queue system for rostering. As long as the raid appeared viable (and usually when we had more folks than slots the decisions the raid leaders made about what was viable were correct though admitted sometimes we put together raids that failed) we would sit anyone. We sat our best geared tank and our best geared healer because it was their turn on a run and we still killed a new boss. The goal, when we are in that good situation, from the point of view of progression and planning, of having more people than slots is to get everyone into the content, which is why the system that many members have never seen in action, means you are more likely to sit if you have raided recently and more likely to go if you only have raid availability one night a week.

It does mean you may end up in content you are less happy to see 2 or 3 raids in a row before the content you really want to see just doesn't fall on the schedule right or because of how sign-ups work for raid viability. But we always try to make sure that you can see the content. Heck just a month or so ago we scheduled a Kara run for a member who has a very erratic schedule and set it up to make sure he got to see some of the bosses in there that he had never seen or only seen once despite the fact that this person was on our very first Kara run, that happened in March of 07 and even though we've run as many as 4 Kara locks in one week a few times. We sat a couple of folks who normally would have gotten priority for Kara because the gear would have been good for them. Of course we later made sure that those folks who needed gear got runs.

It doesn't happen as fast as some people like, that is for sure. It's an extreme case where it takes over a year to get folks to see the content they want but we do try. That's what I like the guild to be about, try to keep it about. We fail at it sometimes. But I feel we succeed more often than not.

Why do I keep putting up walls of text on this line of thinking recently? I think it's because WotLK is coming out soon and things will pick up as far as activity again when it does and I know the differences in play speed of different guild members will show up again. Some folks will get to 80 way before others and get to instances way before others, but I want to try and make sure that as many folks as possible will get to see teh 5 mans level and gear appropriate since some people love that more than anything else in game and I want people to know that raids and progression will happen again, most likely 10 man versions but maybe 25 mans and that we will do our best to include everyone in the guild. Maybe not as often as some folks would like but we will try.

And of course folks new to the guild have to understand that I post walls of text a lot. smile.gif
vor_lord
Greetings, Vii.

Is that pronounced [sev-uhn]? whistling.gif
Vii
This is a great attitude towards progression imo. I don't really obsess over gear, and anyone that knows me knows that I have extremely bad luck when it comes to drops, so, as you mentioned, I do the best I can with what I have. It is nice to hear that such an approach is welcomed.

Btw, mostly it is just V (vee), but at times I have had a pet named Eight (V-8) and Eleven (7-11). I know, I am really cool like that. cool.gif The idea is that if you make up a long name, most people just abbreviate it anyways, so I figured I would save them the effort. I have toons like Zii, Oii, Viiz, Viim, Viik, Ziim, etc...

Sure, gear makes taking down bosses a bit easier, but I have found that most fights are more about coordination, teamwork and knowing your role, regardless of your gear. Basically, I am agreeing with your wall o text.

Thanks.
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