Data-mined stuff from WoW Exposed

Tailoring is getting branches.
GIB spellthreads!

Engineering is getting many more weird and wonderful stuff.
Remote Mail Terminal... nice!
Gnomish Poultryizer... Yup, it doesn't exactly what you think it does

Methinks I'll be wanting a Riding Crop from Leatherworking as well.

And just what the heck is a Skyfire Diamond?!

All in all, fun times ahead!

Expert Riding
Requires: Level 65, Riding (150)

Cost: 2000 Gold

Allows the player to ride basic air mounts that require a riding skill of 225


Artisan Riding
Requires: Level 70, Riding (225)

Cost: 5000 Gold

Allows the player to ride swift air mounts that require a riding skill of 300

2000g and 5000g for air mount riding are currently just speculation on my part, but a pretty astronomical sum of gold (read: huge time sink) is certainly guaranteed

Blizzard has said that the way to get flying mounts will involve more then just paying a ton of gold to a vendor. I expect something like the pally or warlock quests, something that everyone can do but will also be additional content.

No need to act like the sky is falling regarding mount costs. While 900g for an epic mount is a lot of money for a casual player, it is very very achievable through the two years we have had the game. I would not worry that they will make flying mounts cost more gold than their core customer can get in a reasonable time period.

Well, no matter what the final costs actually are, you WILL need to buy an elite steed (riding skill) before you can buy (and quest) a Netherdragon. That's all I wanted to say

They could always make riding flying mounts a different skill to avoid that.

Ever wondered why Blizzard was suddenly so "generous" to give players access to the whole palette of finest elite mounts for just 100g each (90g with faction bonus) in patch 1.12.1?

<speculation>

Yes, but now you'll have to buy a 900g riding skill first (riding 150) before you can upgrade to riding 225 (Netherdragon). Without that change, you could simply skip the expensive portion (buying the mount for 900g (= an item)), and continue to learn riding a Netherdragon, and then buy the dragon for some large amount of money. That would have saved you 900g for an elite ground mount that you didn't want.

Blizzard made the change intentionally. If the skill to ride a flying mount is going to require the skill to ride an epic ground mount as a prerequisite, then they are obviously well aware of this and will adjust the cost of the flying-mount-riding-skill appropriately.

Trust me, they are not going to accidentally overcharge people 900g to ride the flying mounts. Whatever price they want people to pay is what people will have to pay. They are not going to put an accidental and pointless roadblock between their masses of core customers and the ability to ride around on a pretty dragon. They may well put some quests and other silly tasks in the way to add more "content" for those core customers to pay to go through, but that is the nature of the beast.

I haven't checked if my Commander got epic-riding for free (I assume I didn't). Saving gold was never the point (even if my time is worth nothing I probably spent more in consumeables and repair costs)... but it'd be kind of weak to have to buy epic mount solely to get a flying mount.

-- frink

Will there be level 70 versions of the gear in AV?

I'm not sure whether I'd WANT to see level 70 AV gear. It's already ridiculously easy to walk out of there with a bag full of epic items after a week or two of playing. Everyone and their mother has TUF and their Don's ring.

AV is fast for me, but not that fast. My queue time is usually ~1 hour; I run AB and WSG and then a game of AV, then requeue at the beginning again. After 3 weeks of playing evenings and 1 day per weekend like that, I'm almost revered, which will only be halfway to exalted. Right now I'm trying to see if I can hit honored with AB before revered with AV.

I'll be interested to know what they did there; I do know that they also lowered the cost of pvp mounts to 9g, so a commander could have all of the pvp mounts fairly cheap (Are there any mods to randomly select a mount when you hit your mount hotkey? that would be sweet!).

Holy crap I am suddenly happy I never dropped Tailoring/Enchanting for Engineering.

*Primal Mooncloth:

"Conversion of these items into Primal Mooncloth can only be done at a moonwell, and only ocassionally will the waters permit themselves to be used in such a way."

*Spellcloth:

"Conversion of these items into spellcloth can only be done inside of Netherstorm and only once in a while can the energies of netherstorm be used in this way. Draining power to create the spellcloth will bring the wrath of netherstorm on you."

I'm wondering if "only ocassionally" and "only once in a while" means that you have a certain chance that your felcloth or mooncloth washing results in a piece of primal mooncloth, or if there are only certain days/hours when this will work (on every piece of mooncloth you can upgrade at that time).

I'm not sure whether I'd WANT to see level 70 AV gear. It's already ridiculously easy to walk out of there with a bag full of epic items after a week or two of playing. Everyone and their mother has TUF and their Don's ring.

And a lot of people don't have the necessary time to join or create a raiding guild capable of consistently farming 20- and 40-man instances for decent gear. Rep is slow, but it doesn't require committing three or more hours a night five or six nights a week.

From an Alliance perspective, I spent 2 weeks in AV and went from Neutral to Exalted. Do you really propose level 70 epics be handed out in AV for those two weeks of easy rep?

I'm going to be cynical (gosh, whatever next!) and suggest that it's merely code for "this has a 4 day cooldown". If we're lucky. Wouldn't surprise me if they made it longer.

I read that to indicate that there will be some kind of cooldown on the moonwell itself. Such that if you get beat to making the primal mooncloth, tough nookies. Can you say Spawn Camping, boys and girls?

We already had this arguement, right after they nerfed AV. Just because they are passing out level 70 versions of the items is no reason to start slinging poo again.

List of Gem Properties in BC


2% on spellcast - next spell instant cast.
+3 Melee Damage & Chance to Stun Target
+12 Defense Rating & Chance to Restore Health on hit
+12 Intellect & Chance to restore mana on spellcast
+12 Critical Strike Rating & 5% Snare and Root Resist
+14 Spell Crit Rating and 1% Spell Reflect
+18 Stamina & 5% Stun Resist
+24 Attack Power and Minor Run Speed Increase
+26 Healing Spells & 2% Reduced Threat

+4 Strength
+6 Strength
+7 Strength
+8 Strength
+10 Strength
+4 Agility
+6 Agility
+8 Agility
+6 Stamina
+8 Stamina
+9 Stamina
+12 Stamina
+4 Intellect
+6 Intellect
+8 Intellect
+4 Spirit
+6 Spirit
+8 Spirit

+9 Healing
+13 Healing
+18 Healing

+8 Attack Power
+14 Attack Power
+16 Attack Power
+20 Attack Power

+4 Hit Rating
+6 Hit Rating
+8 Hit Rating

+1 Mana every 5 seconds
+2 Mana every 5 seconds
+3 Mana every 5 seconds
+8 Mana every 5 seconds

+5 Spell Damage
+7 Spell Damage
+8 Spell Damage
+9 Spell Damage
+12 Spell Damage

+3 Resist All
+4 Resist All

+4 Critical Strike Rating
+6 Critical Strike Rating
+8 Critical Strike Rating
+10 Critical Strike Rating

+4 Spell Critical Strike Rating
+6 Spell Critical Strike Rating
+8 Spell Critical Strike Rating
+10 Spell Critical Strike Rating

+4 Defense Rating
+6 Defense Rating
+8 Defense Rating

+8 Dodge Rating

+8 Parry Rating

+10 Resilience

+8 Spell Penetration
+10 Spell Penetration

+3 Agility and +4 Stamina
+4 Agility and +6 Stamina
+4 Agility per different colored gem
+3 Strength and +4 Stamina
+4 Strength and +6 Stamina
+5 Strength, +5 Crit Rating
+12 Strength if 4 blue gems equipped
+3 Stamina, +4 Spell Critical Strike Rating
+3 Stamina, +4 Critical Strike Rating
+1 Mana every 5 Sec and 3 Intellect
+2 Mana every 5 seconds and 4 Intellect
+7 Healing Spells and +3 Intellect
+9 Healing Spells and +4 Intellect
+7 Healing Spells & +1 Mana per 5 Seconds
+9 Healing Spells and +2 Mana every 5 seconds
+2 Defense and +4 Stamina
+3 Defense and +6 Stamina
+4 Spell Damage and +4 Stamina
+5 Spell Damage and +6 Stamina
+6 Spell Damage, +5 Spell Crit Rating
+3 Critical Strike Rating and +3 Strength
+4 Critical Strike Rating and +4 Strength
+3 Critical Strike Rating and +4 Stamina
+4 Critical Strike Rating and +6 Stamina
+3 Hit Rating and +3 Agility
+4 Hit Rating and +4 Agility
+3 Spell Critical Rating and +4 Spell Damage
+4 Spell Critical Rating and +5 Spell Damage
+3 Spell Critical Rating and +4 Spell Penetration
+4 Spell Critical Rating and +5 Spell Penetration
+10 Attack Power, +5 Critical Strike Rating

Guess I'm bowing out if what I've said is considered ANYTHING near "slinging poo".

Blizzard has said that the way to get flying mounts will involve more then just paying a ton of gold to a vendor. I expect something like the pally or warlock quests, something that everyone can do but will also be additional content.

No need to act like the sky is falling regarding mount costs. While 900g for an epic mount is a lot of money for a casual player, it is very very achievable through the two years we have had the game. I would not worry that they will make flying mounts cost more gold than their core customer can get in a reasonable time period.

Following purchased from your factions city in the Shadowmoon Valley:

Expert Riding (225) - Requires lvl 70, Riding (150) allowing the player to ride flying mounts that require riding skill of 225 - costs 800 gold

Artisan Riding (300) - Requires lvl 70, Riding (225) allows the player to ride fast flying mounts that require riding skill of 300 - costs 5000 gold


Flying Mounts

Mounts (following purchased in Shadowmoon Valley):

Black Gryphon (Requires level 70 and 225 riding skill) - costs 100g
Golden Gryphon (Requires level 70 and 225 riding skill) - costs 100g
White Gryphon (Requires level 70 and 225 riding skill) - costs 100g

Swift Blue Gryphon (Requires level 70 and 300 riding skill) - costs 200g
Swift GreenGryphon (Requires level 70 and 300 riding skill) - costs 200g
Swift Purple Gryphon (Requires level 70 and 300 riding skill) - costs 200g
Swift Red Gryphon (Requires level 70 and 300 riding skill) - costs 200g


Talbuk Mounts

Trade Narasu in Telaar, Nagrand for Alliance (Requires Exalted with Kurenai)
Trade Unknown in Garadar, Nagrand for Horde (Requires Exalted with The Mag'har)

Reins of the Cobalt Riding Talbuk (Requires level 60, Riding (150)) - costs 90g.
Reins of the Dark Riding Talbuk (Requires level 60, Riding (150)) - costs 90g.
Reins of the Silver Riding Talbuk (Requires level 60, Riding (150)) - costs 90g.
Reins of the Tan Riding Talbuk (Requires level 60, Riding (150)) - costs 90g.
Reins of the White Riding Talbuk (Requires level 60, Riding (150)) - costs 90g.

I think my heart just stopped. Lemme check.

Yep, definately stopped.

*Thud*

Well, I was a bit off as far as Expert Riding goes, but read yourself the latest news bit from the BC Beta:
Source: http://bcspy.bc.funpic.de/index.php?categoryid=22

5000 gold for a riding skill. Seems a bit steep to me...
Is this a desperate attempt at halting gold inflation? And if so, will it work?

I doubt 5k will seem like as much once we actually hit 70 as it does now. I know I gain gold a lot faster at 60 than at 50 and BC might well scale faster than that.

Well, I was a bit off as far as Expert Riding goes, but read yourself the latest news bit from the BC Beta:

I saw a screenshot just now where a rogue is already 67! Quite fast I think.

I'm pretty sure they didn't wipe the characters from the alpha.

5000 gold for a riding skill. Seems a bit steep to me...

Is this a desperate attempt at halting gold inflation? And if so, will it work?

What gold inflation? Aside from the real world currency <-> gold conversion rate, which has more to do with there being more farmed gold around than anyone cares to buy, gold vs. item price changes once the server has reached maturity have mostly been driven by the value of the items themseves vs. available alternatives (content changes, server raid progression) not a general devauling of gold.

-- frink

DISENCHANTING, by the way, now has an item dependent Enchant skill level. Disenchanting i.e. the blue "Flamestrider Robes" now requires Enchanting 175, and disenchanting a purple/epic "Cenarion Vestments" robe requires Enchanting 225.

This means: No more level 1 (dis-)enchanting mules, and no more (temporary) disenchanting of blue and epic stuff on your main characters.

I'm going to have to actually level my (dis)enchanting?!

It should be automatically on par with what you usually enchant at a certain level.

Yeah, but what's the point of this change? It appears to be to prevent people picking up Enchanting temporarily to dis unused gear. I can't see why it was necessary; it's harmless enough being able to get Nexus Crystals (or whatever the burning crusade next-generation-dissed-item-shard will be) from gear you no longer need.

An effective buff to "true" enchanters that will increase their money making potential. It will also increase the value of end-game enchants and materials, which I suspect was the aim. Add this change to the variety of new "self only" recipes and enchanting has become a very appealing proffession.

Great if you're an enchanter. Royal PITA if you're using a disenchanter mule like I am.

Yeah, but what's the point of this change? It appears to be to prevent people picking up Enchanting temporarily to dis unused gear. I can't see why it was necessary; it's harmless enough being able to get Nexus Crystals (or whatever the burning crusade next-generation-dissed-item-shard will be) from gear you no longer need.

It also makes ACCOUNT THEFT much less lucrative, because the thieves usually get the most gold from disenchanting your main char's gear into valuable crystals/shards/essences/dusts (using temporary Enchanting). This is over now, and will hopefully result in much less hacked accounts.