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RE: Communism and the Left - kandrathe - 07-17-2017 (07-17-2017, 05:03 AM)FireIceTalon Wrote: No, its "only" somewhere between 8-12 million per year, almost every source on Google has the numbers in this range - but regardless of the numbers, that does not vindicate the system of its crimes against humanity.How about reputable sources, like WHO, or the Lancet. "Undernutritition causes 45% of child deaths, resulting in 3.1 million deaths annually" So, yeah, about that capitalism... Let's talk about starvation in Venezuela... you know, one of the few remaining pro-Cuba, pro-socialist regimes... RE: Communism and the Left - FireIceTalon - 07-17-2017 https://factcheckinginjusticefacts.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/asmaa-al-hameli/ About 20-25K people starve to death per day under capitalism, most of them children age 5 or under via preventable causes. Do the math. For real, I'm done with this silly thread. The steaming turd of a system known as capitalism has killed more people in the last 10 years alone than even the most inflated totals who died under so-called "communist" regimes given by bourgeois historians. It isn't even close, especially if we take the totality of capitalism's 300+ year history into account. One comrade did provide some numbers: Quote:1,559,657,267 Murdered in the Name of Profit Ouch. And even if some of these numbers are inflated - or you only counted certain events based on specific personal criteria, the resulting number would still easily eclipse even the most outrageous estimates of those who died under all "communist" regimes combined, multiple times over. And of course, there is the argument that the deaths under those regimes themselves can be attributed to capitalism, since it was the capitalist countries who were the aggressors and waged an international war to contain socialism and do everything in their power to ruin it - rather than it being attributed to some inherent flaw of socialism itself. And finally, this list doesn't even include: early and undocumented deaths from being overworked, lack of health care. Then, there is the non-lethal effects, such as mental neurosis from the everyday stress that results from living and working under capitalism – these incalculable points are massive, along with every other non-death related crime committed by the capitalist system. Anyways, before I exit this dumb thread which should have never been created in the first place, I will quote a fellow comrade regarding the original topic: Quote:The Nazi’s were NOT socialists. Ownership of production was in the hands of private individuals. Socialism is the opposite. The Nazis believe Aryans were a superior race, socialists believe everyone is equal. Nazis are the opposite of socialism. Stop trying to pass off right wing capitalist crimes onto us. RE: Communism and the Left - kandrathe - 07-17-2017 (07-17-2017, 04:10 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: https://factcheckinginjusticefacts.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/asmaa-al-hameli/Fact checking your Wordpress fact checker... UNICEF [attachment=297] World Food Program [attachment=298] It is clear where we need to focus our aid. The red appears most everywhere there is a Islamic theocracy (ISIS) based civil war. I wonder if the sum of that "one comrades" number plucking exercise results in zero world population. You forgot all the early deaths due to health issues caused by being fat and lazy. A condition enabled by exploiting the worlds resources. Heck, I think all the deaths of all the societies that ever existed were caused by our social and economic systems, except those who died of old aged natural causes ( i.e. giving zero credit for any positive effects on life span). If only... If only... we subscribed to the Communist fantasy... no one would die ever! RE: Communism and the Left - Ashock - 07-17-2017 I've not really read the bulk of the content of this thread, but here's the bottom line. Over the last 100 years, there's been numerous communist countries. Without counting the Warsaw Pact countries as separate entities, as they really were not, we have off the top of my head: USSR China N Korea Vietnam Laos Cuba Any of them good for their people in any way? Not true communism? That's the only type communism that can exist when humans in large numbers get together. How many more great experiments do people need until they get it through their heads that collectivism on a government scale does not work? Nazis only ruled for roughly 10-12 years and basically in 1.5 countries, not counting the occupied ones, naturally. The comparison is laughable. Communism is significantly more insidious and more difficult to root out. The open aggression of Germany basically guaranteed that the nazi party would not stay in power for more than a handful of years. The only way that communism could have been stamped out quickly, was if Stalin followed some of his generals' advice towards the end of WW2 and continued to march through Europe. He did not. Naturally, capitalism is just as bad, or possibly worse..... ..... according to some of the brainier members here. RE: Communism and the Left - kandrathe - 07-17-2017 (07-17-2017, 09:26 PM)Ashock Wrote: ..... according to some of the brainier members here.Evidently facts don't matter. Only zeal matters. RE: Communism and the Left - FireIceTalon - 07-17-2017 Indisputable fact: capitalism has killed more people than communism. And in fact, ALOT more. /thread. RE: Communism and the Left - Ashock - 07-17-2017 (07-17-2017, 11:21 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: Indisputable fact: capitalism has killed more people than communism. And in fact, ALOT more. Capitalism is significantly more widespread than communism and has existed for a significantly longer amount of time, thank god. Therefore, even if you take your capitalism numbers and suppositions at face value, which would be naive, but even if you do, it would more than make up the difference. real /thread Have yourself a good day, threadboy. (07-17-2017, 11:16 PM)kandrathe Wrote:(07-17-2017, 09:26 PM)Ashock Wrote: ..... according to some of the brainier members here.Evidently facts don't matter. Only zeal matters. Yes, this is how that side operates. RE: Communism and the Left - FireIceTalon - 07-18-2017 (07-17-2017, 11:46 PM)Ashock Wrote: Capitalism is significantly more widespread than communism and has existed for a significantly longer amount of time Irrelevant. It has still killed more people in a shorter amount of time. More people have died living under capitalism in the last 15 years of its existence alone, than every "communist" regime combined - which as stated before, are also attributed to capitalism anyways. Quote:it would more than make up the difference. No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't even come close. It isn't just about people dying under capitalism anyways - far from it. It is also the daily exploitation, oppression, and misery from just living and working under it that takes its toll on people, generation after generation, in various ways. Whether they are overworked (sometimes even to death), poor and/or experiencing the miseries of living in dangerous and impoverished conditions, homelessness, and often suffering mental neurotic conditions such as chronic stress and anxiety (which can often lead to more severe health conditions like heart disease or cancer) - the number of people that suffer from these things is incalcuable. Lack of access to healthcare, and an untold amount who are not impoverished but are one tragedy away from being homeless or financially ruined. List is endless. RE: Communism and the Left - kandrathe - 07-18-2017 Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by repitition). This is the fallacy of trying to prove something by saying it again and again. But no matter how many times you repeat something, it will not become any more or less true than it was in the first place. Of course, it is not a fallacy to state the truth again and again; what is fallacious is to expect the repitition alone to substitute for real arguments. Hmmm, whoops. I guess that Capitalism is actually lowering the mortality rate. RE: Communism and the Left - FireIceTalon - 07-18-2017 (07-18-2017, 02:02 AM)kandrathe Wrote: Of course, it is not a fallacy to state the truth again and again Case closed. RE: Communism and the Left - kandrathe - 07-18-2017 (07-18-2017, 02:04 AM)FireIceTalon Wrote:(07-18-2017, 02:02 AM)kandrathe Wrote: Of course, it is not a fallacy to state the truth again and again Again. Lol. . You crack me up. Btw, I'm right, and you're wrong. Case closed. No backs, or I'm telling. I can tell you earned your debate skills as the only spoiled child. HAHAHAHAHA! RE: Communism and the Left - FireIceTalon - 07-18-2017 LOL. Spoiled? Eh, maybe a little sometimes . But I would say my younger brother was more so. Also, when I did get spoiled, I never asked to be, hehe. The funny thing is, for all my rebelliousness, I've been the one who is much better at stayin' out of trouble than he was/is. I am much more introverted than him, so that could be part of why. RE: Communism and the Left - FireIceTalon - 08-01-2017 https://www.themarysue.com/spike-bench/ Absolutely disgusting and shameful. The capitalist systems brutality in its never ending pursuit of profit knows no bounds. I would destroy that thing if I came across it, or at least fill the holes with super glue or cement. RE: Communism and the Left - kandrathe - 08-02-2017 (08-01-2017, 09:57 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: https://www.themarysue.com/spike-bench/ Fabian Brunsing in Germany seems to be your enemy. https://vimeo.com/channels/urbaninterventions/page:1 |