Quote:The mere fact that it's possible to gank does not make it acceptable in any way, shape or form.
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Gankers ruined PvP servers. Plain and simple.

Quote:I absolutely have to disagree on both points.

1) When you roll on a PvP server (assuming you know the difference between the server rulesets) you make a tacit agreement that you're ok with being ganked. You know exactly what you're getting into, and it's the reason you rolled on a PvP server.

2) Gankers are PvP servers. That's the one differnce between the two server types, and to say that gankers ruined PvP servers is like saying roleplayers ruined RP servers.

What the numbnuts in the OP is doing though is circumventing the PvE ruleset to grief someone. That's not cool, but there's a difference between that and ganking someone.

Quote:We call those kinds of people "victims".

If you're on a PvP server, you're gonna find yourself in PvP whether you like it or not. It's unfortunate for those who have friends that like PvP, but would rather they themselves be on a PvE server, but them's the breaks.

Mavfin summed it up pretty well. I still disagree that I'm destroying someone else's fun; if I even consider it at all, I operate under the assumption that they are on a PvP server specifically to engage in PvP at all times. Again, it's a matter of perspective; fluffy cuddly PvE players probably can't or won't understand the viewpoint because they don't want to PvP when they don't want to. And that's fine, that's why there are different kinds of servers. But if you're on a PvP server, you're a target; if you can't defend yourself, that's just too bad. I carry swiftness potions, invisibility potions, healing potions (which you can get cheaply from the PvP vendors for marks of honor if you don't want to spend gold), and free action potions at all times so that I can react to whatever comes my way.

Being camped? Rez, pop an invisibility potion, and motor; you may or may not get away, but you'll at least get some distance. Alternatively, you can use a swiftness potion (which is what I generally do on my pally; between Divine Shield, Blessing of Freedom, and the rocket boots, I can cover a lot of ground in a hurry) for the same effect if you don't need invisibility.

I don't think the problem is as big as people on PvE servers think, either. There have been very few times I've been camped without doing something to deserve first; sometimes it's because I killed someone's friend, or because a forum troll recognizes one of the Horde forum trolls and wants to camp him as a friendly greeting. Yeah, I've lost ore nodes and mobs and escort quests because of Allies; but I do it to them and it's all in good fun. They wouldn't be on a PvP server otherwise:)

Quote:Except that he doesn't want someone to plant their boot on him, which is why he rolled PvE.

Quote:No, it's pretty obvious that you're firmly entrenched in the "abused becomes abuser" cycle.

I don't mind fair PvP. I like it. Ganking someone who's in the middle of doing something, though, that's not fair, and it's not fun.

Just to clarify, by "fair" I mean fights where you actually have a chance to defend yourself. Yes, this includes fights where all the odds are against you, but you still have an actual chance. Fighting two opponents, fighting opponents several levels higher than your own, etc.

Quote:It is simply another means by which they can act out in a way that gives them what they want if only for a moment. The fact that it makes no sense to you reveals something valuable about your charater. Something to be cherished.

Quote:And it's pretty obvious you can't accept ganking as PvP - even though it is - due to your carebear mentality. Likewise, I enjoy ganking and griefing because I have a griefer mentality, apparently.

I love ganking people when they're in the middle of doing something, because it is fun. I don't care if they've had a rough day and just want to do this quest or that instance before going to bed or whatever; if they're that pressed for game time, they picked the wrong kind of server. If Allies are camping an area where I want to quest or do something, know what I do? I either get some friends and kick them out, or I find something else to do, whether it's something else in-game or something else entirely.

I get sick of hearing people whine about being ganked and "griefing". Yeah, it really does suck sometimes, especially if it's an escort quest or something that requires reagents (like Terokk in Skettis.) But you know what? You take your licks and you get even or you move on. Whining about it and going on some holy crusade against ganking and all gankerkind will not solve anything, because Blizzard frankly doesn't give a flying blah-dee-blah as long as you're paying their monthly fees. If anything, it's just going to make them target you even more because they know they're getting to you.

And as for "fair" PvP: who needs it? I love uneven fights; there's nothing like crushing three allies at once when they tried to gank me while I was farming. And if someone's main ganks my alt, I either escape or get my main and teach them humility.

Because of your PvE mentality, I can understand why you don't like or can't really grasp the concepts of ganking and why it's so fun, and that doesn't really bother me at all; live and let live. But when people that play on PvE servers are telling me how to PvP - and even worse, suggesting that Blizzard actually place restrictions on my activities therein - it's absolutely absurd.

Quote:Ganking is PvP whether you like it or not.

Quote:"And what, exactly, am I wanting by killing someone's aether rays?"

Quote:"Just because someone is griefing someone else or ganking s"omeone else doesn't mean they're a degenerate loser with serious mental issues."

Quote:"I don't expect someone who plays on PvE servers to be capable of understanding that, though. And, being a PvP fiend, I don't expect to be capable of understanding how ganking and griefing can ever be bad."

Quote:How can you say gankers "ruined" PvP servers?

Quote:I rolled on Bloodscalp the day it went active. I spent a little bit of time on Magtheridon prior to that, since Bloodscalp was not a launch server (it went live in December, I think.) Ganking was prevalent throughout Hillsbrad during the time I spent on Magtheridon, and it was prevalent on Bloodscalp as well.

Ganking was there from the start. How the hell can you say it ruined anything when it was there to begin with?

Quote:Again, it's part of your mindset: to you, ganking is bad and must be purged so that all PvP that exists is all organized and "fair". That is the definition of a carebear; someone who objects to PvP. Ganking is PvP whether you like it or not.

Quote:And what, exactly, am I wanting by killing someone's aether rays?

Quote:Just because someone is griefing someone else or ganking someone else doesn't mean they're a degenerate loser with serious mental issues.

Quote:I don't expect someone who plays on PvE servers to be capable of understanding that, though. And, being a PvP fiend, I don't expect to be capable of understanding how ganking and griefing can ever be bad.

Quote:PvP is skill. Ganking is not.

Quote:Player versus Player is you attacking or taking some form of aggressive action against another player.

By definition, ganking is PvP because you are taking aggressive action against a player of the opposing faction.

But, really, I'm done with this since you are clearly incapable of accepting that fact.