I am out of here

[Jarulf]

Hey if you are not having fun, go. Before you do, total up your /played over all characters, and devide by the total amount spent (initial box price + x months at 15$ a month). I'd be suprised if you didn't get an excellent value for your money.

Apart from time/money not nessecarilly reflecting value/money (or fun or anything else) what makes you think that would actually turn up as good compared to most other computer games I have played? I can immediately tell you that compare to for example any of the Diablo games the value (if we accept your definition above) sucks. As will it do with a whole lot of other games I play. Considering I have payed the equivalency of 10-15 ordinary (non subscription) games (yes I tend to buy both new and barget bin games, so I took an evrage value), I would say it will be VERY far from the value I tend to get from most games.

That said, I will agree that I have had a lot of fun for the game and don't hesitate either buying, playing or paying for it. I have not at all complained about not having had fun (on the contrary, see the subcomment in the thread of "turn bad and booring"). I simply states that, for me at least, once you have played it for a while, like hiting 60, for me it turned bad for several reasons which I pointed out. THAT is what I consider sad.

I'll agree that tradeskills are lackluster. But your particular issues make very little sense, so much so that I wonder if you have really tried it. I've got several 300 trade skillers covering almost all skills (including almost 2 tailors), so I know a bit about what goes into it.

First off, it's not terribly difficult to get to 300 without using a lot of exotic reagents. If that's your goal, scan thottbot, look for items that are cheap to make like runecloth robe or boots. Those recepies don't have to be found, they can be bought easily at the AH.

I specifically mentioned crafted ones. I have got all collectable ones as well as cooking/first aid to 300. My problem was with the crafteble ones (including tailoring which I have at 300 and enchanting. I didn't say it is impossible and obviously one level through the "cheap" ones, still the ammount of, for example runecloth, is far more than you ever get close to collect thorugh normal game play. I have spent tons of money buing ingredients on the AH (as well as selling stuff as well). However, what on earth is the point of having pointless, repeated crafting of 40 runcloth boots (or whatever exmple you want to take) to get to level X except to have people go booring having to spend time on grinding just for the sake of it? Is it fun? Usefull? Good? no, it is a failed system. You can just as well have the game ocunt the number of runecloth that falls and after having collected a gazzilion of them, you can now use the actual somewhat minimal usefull recipies that you can NOT buy at NPC. With potion making, you can at least use what you craft. Having a crafting system that relies on people pumping out the less time consuming item and nothing usefull is just a time grind like everything else that really gives no reward, which is what I complain about, there is to little of a reward for the time you invest after you reach level 50-60.

Aside from the MC and ZG crafting stuff (which you pretty much need to do those instances to get the rep for the recepies anyways), the items required for crafting are generally not instance drops, and definatly not raid instance drops. Look for example at the belt of the archmage (which is pretty comparable to Arcanist). It takes a month and a halfs worth of mooncloth, but the rest of the stuff is very grindable in that time. No instance runs necessary.

No, instead, you have to, as I specifically mentioned as an example, kill Satyrs that are far lower than your level and otherwise gives NO benefit like crazy to get the mooncloth (in addition to grind for the other stuff). I have done that. I typically got boored and had cleared the camps once or twice often without getting a single felcloth. I think I have totalled about 5 mooncloth in the game and that took an awefull lot of time. I made 2 mooncloth bags (which I think costed 2 mooncloth back then) since I dind't have any recipie for a mooncloth item worth upgrading too or that required other items of which I had non or would have cost considerable more gold than I made in several occations of playing.

As I said, I have managed to collect a total of about 5 or 6 moonclot in my whole game play time. 16 bolts of runecloth (that is what, 80 runecloth drops?) is quite a lot of time and I have spent most runcloth I have bought (since I got far to little from drops) to level tailoring to start with as well as first aid (I skip those quests requiring it). The essence? Gee, I have perhaps between 2 and 4 of each type in the bank, total. The shards? Sure, I have som, no idea how many of that type, I picked up enchanting late though, but most everything of what I deenchanted, I used to level enchanting and after some level 240 or 250, it takes for ever and I leveled it about once every wekk or so. Of course, disenchanting means I don't get money form selling items to buy runcloth or other ingredients to level my tradeskills.

Oh well. Sure, I could stop doing quests, instances and exploring the game for the next 3 month and spend all that time griding for the ingredients for that recipie (I think that would be at least the time I would need to get them, if not more). That would be exclusively griding for them I would say not doing much else. WOuld that be fun? Would the item I get be a good justification for the time spent? Hell no. The thing is that during that time, I would be pretty sure to not have much chance to get anything else in the process. DOing instances or questing or whatever (of the appropriate type and the fun part of the game) you know that you have a lot of possibilities to get pretty much whatever random else which is what is fun, to me. To to invest a specific ammount of time for a pre known specific item. That is boring and why I don't like the game any more. So yes, the fun factor droped to much and that is why I indeed leave:)