2.1.0 Patch Notes

[Lissa]

If you're using gems for mana, you're not using them for ap/crit/agi.

There are other ways to get AP and Crit Quark...it's called Agi...every 2.75 Agi is 1 crit rating, every 1 Agi is 1 AP. This leaves you the opportunity to put in MP5 in a couple slots to help out.

The changes are not all in yet! Stop doing that! You're comparing underbudget items to regular items. The only looks you can take right now is saying "how's the distribution?", because the items aren't really changing much in design, just some +s.

Quark, the Tier 5 changes are in and they still do not equal out to non-set items. Compare Robe of Hateful Echoes from Hydross to the Tier 5 cloth DPS robes that drop from Kael (both revised). Please tell me again Quark that the Tier sets are better than random drops, even with the bonuses, cause they're not. I'm not comparing apples to oranges here Quark, I'm comparing apples to apples, the sets do not compare to the random items you can get from Bosses. The tier sets, for the most part, are junk.

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They're all wrong? Also, where's this +10% crit? I'm seeing 3 from a talent, then a 6% chance of 10% more for a short while. 6% chance isn't exactly high.

You see that little mention up above there Quark about Agi? Survival Hunters are usually pushing 700+ unbuffed Agi while BM and Marksman are roaming around 400 to 450 because they go for AP and Crit. 275 Agi on a Survival Hunter over the Agi on a BM or Marksman Hunter is 10% crit. That's how Survival Hunters are getting such huge crits compared to BM and Marksman Hunters, they're using Red Gems for Agi and Yellow Gems for Crit while BM and Marksman are mostly using Red Gems for AP and Yellow Gems for Crit.

For all that equalization the Survival Hunter tried to get, he skipped all the utility talents. Meanwhile, Marksman picked up Scatter Shot and Silencing Shot, two amazing skills.

In PvP yes Quark, in Raid encounters past Karazhan, most mobs, trash and bosses, are immune to silence and immune to disorient which means both Scatter and Silencing are wasted talent points from a raiding perspective.

Likewise, the Survival Hunter usually gets the utility talents in their traps. Something a lot of people over look especially when there is a talent that causes traps to root.

I'm not as down on Hunters as Mirajj. That's understandable -> look at how I felt about Rogues before the 2.1 changes were announced. But they are the lowest DPS class right now, excluding Paladins (who can easily do other things). It's disingenuous to keep arguing about all the little things when right now, the high end guilds are pretty clearly saying "2 Hunters, for Misdirection, not for their damage, no more". It's better than "Rogues for trash, not for bosses" but that's still not a comforting thought.

How come then there is a slowing growing group of Hunters that are changing the way they play and are also changing some of these perceptions? The voices are out there, they're not very vocal cause they're being drown out by the various cries of injustice and the like, but some people are starting to listen, are starting to realize that there are other ways of doing things.

Do I think that some of the things done to Hunters in 2.1 are a step in the right direction, yes. Do I think that the list of things Mirajj posted early on are necessary to help the Hunter, no, I do not. In my mind, Hunters are not broken as many Hunters think they are. Blizzard is moving to rectify some of it, but they haven't gotten there yet, but out and out doing that things that Mirajj suggested (or where ever he pulled those suggestions from) would simply throw off the balance to the other side and make them too powerful. Baby steps to that point are better than outright jumps and then nerfing back down to be in line.