Stormrage Karazhan Discussion

[Sabra]

I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond to any of this. Life moves pretty fast sometimes.

I think your "facts" are wrong and one sided magix:

Detector's ill-fated run:
-Holy was the best equipped tank possible, yet another was chosen. So now preparation no longer plays a part? (btw I think the 2 tanks on that run tanked okay, but the other one, forgot his name, definitely was undergeared, even for normal 70 instances. Big difference in how much healing they needed, and how much they get hit for.)

The reason holy was not chosen was detector didn't know him. We know that now, that's a valid reason.

Winkle (Holyrain) came straight to me when this roster situation happened and I immediately put Pen on a better track, suggesting that the tanks work it out between themselves based on their gear, etc. That's what they did and Holyrain will confirm this. It was all straightened out by the next run.

You have a group with 10 players or so. Lots of flex to try to roster in a couple more, especially since this group knows the instance very well by this time.

Now you have another group, already overcrowded, and the solution and first decision by officials was to "politely" tell non guildies (who were *instrumental in actually getting the raid off the ground) to make way for guildies.

Waetherine, with all due respect, this is the part you just REFUSE to get. There was no decision made. Nothing was finalized. I made a statement. That was all.

I ask you to recall that I gave the group the opportunity to discuss this on TS at the very moment I received the complaint. Let me ask you this? Do you recall who was the very first person to in effect tell me to STFU and Raid? It was you. and you had back up, so...

Too bad we didn't discuss it then, so that I could go to the officers with a decision from the Lurkers in the group, who were, of course, the core Lurkers for that run at that time. 5-10 minutes of open verbal discussion would have saved us all this.

And when the people doing this are mostly people who weren't even part of the run, who don't know the various varying contributions by different members of the run, what should I think? I read a few of the later posts. So if I get it right, you (officers) didn't know this was what your post sounded like - that you came off as being users.

I'll limit my gut response to this to one statement ... Users, my foot!

It has been pointed out to me that my post in the sign up thread that began kara2 Raiders Read this may have been mispercieved as a ruling, harsh, dictatorial. Some others didn't see it that way at all.

If anyone bothered to read the whole post and not just respond to it emotionally, it would have been clear that I was stating my take and the take of the few officers who had responded to me. No decision had been made and I thre open the floor. Ah well.

Is this the right way to treat people who've helped you, once they're no longer of use?

Sometimes it's not just a matter of what's right or what's wrong when you're dealing with a large group and multiple objectives. The idealistic side of me - what remains of it after 57 years on this planet - wishes it were, but reality tells me it's not. It's a balancing act that ends up being all about compromise.

I'm sorry you didn't stay to be part of the compromises that would have come. I bet everyone would have come out on the high side. Nevertheless, your /gquit slammed the door on that. It's a shame, because if and when Winkle decides to come back, he'll likely follow you, and I will sincerely miss him.

Basic checklist for any other well run raid, no? I won't even put "spec the best way to help the run" up there, but when the group isn't too strong, every little bit, like talent specs, do help.

We've never asked anyone to respec. They do what their conscience dictates. Like you said here, all players are paying their money to build their characters. It's not up to us to balance their check books.

I can think of more fun ways to retaliate. A well placed MD shot on a squishy clothie. Accidentally picking up a BOP epic you want. A well timed accidental DC on my current crappy computer. FD! Even something more normal, like not doing all I can to rush home just so I won't disappoint the group I've commited to raid with.

Except for the very last portion, it would be difficult for me to express just how distressing it is that you actually took the time to write all that out.

I've given all I could the past few weeks. Maybe you did too. But it didn't feel like everyone involved put in the same. I pay the same amount per month as you and everyone else and expect the same fun/effort.

I hope you will find it going forward.

In closing, I'd like to say that you have a wonderful man in Winkle. You're a lucky woman.