3 Children removed from NJ parents
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Quote:I don't disagree that Zappa's intention were more playful, but what law was broken by naming your kid Adolf Hitler, or putting swastika's on your car? Or, for that matter, actually being devotees of Richard G. Butler?

I've heard stories of parents involved in gangs in Los Angeles where mothers had their children taken away from them because they choose to live a lifestyle that put the welfare of their children in jeopardy. I see no difference here, and don't disagree with what has been done by the state.

Quote:If there is negligent behavior, then make the charge so that the accused can begin to defend themselves. Luckily I have no crazy relatives or enemies who want to fire bomb my house, but would I not be the victim to be defended by the state rather than the person acted against by the state.

When I was young and trouble was brewing in school, I often got pulled singled out by the teachers, but it wasn't because I was the one causing trouble, but rather most of the other students were doing said activity the wrong way and I was "in-the-way", so rather than correct the majority, then choose to focus on altering my behavior. While I did not think this was fair growing up in school, I realize now that it was to keep the peace. I've heard of it happening lots also in prisons where the inmate standing up for himself is sentenced to solitary confinement even though he was not the instigator nor the attacker, however this was done to for *his* benefit rather he felt that way or not. Again, I see no difference here.

Quote:You know, there are satanists who name their babies Lucifer, or worse, but you don't really hear about the state removing their kids much. Maybe they do, and it just doesn't make the national news. It really doesn't matter why they named their children as they did. Did they break any law? We don't know because the state refuses to state their case.

Young Adolf gained popularity when Fox News did a stint about a cake store refusing to spell out his name on a cake. Perhaps the parents of Adolf thought they could get sympathy by taking their story to the news, but instead got their child taken away from them.

Did they break any law? I'm not sure, but putting a child in a state of perpetual endangerment because of your lifestyle is an offense the CPS can act upon to remove a child from a home, and I do think this case fits the bill quite nicely - parents driving cars with Nazi symbols on them in public, naming their children after known and hated figures of history, etc. While I do see your argument about freedom of whatever, I think these people just pushed the envelope too far and might not even be completely sane. I'd recommend a full psychological evaluation for the entire family before I'd let the children go back to live with the parents.
"The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self." -Albert Einsetin
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3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-18-2009, 08:19 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Jester - 01-18-2009, 10:25 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-19-2009, 05:07 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Jester - 01-19-2009, 09:29 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Crusader - 01-19-2009, 12:32 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Quark - 01-19-2009, 12:41 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-19-2009, 03:40 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-19-2009, 05:22 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Jester - 01-19-2009, 09:12 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-20-2009, 02:14 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by ShadowHM - 01-20-2009, 02:51 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-20-2009, 03:22 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by ShadowHM - 01-20-2009, 05:17 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-20-2009, 06:07 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by ShadowHM - 01-20-2009, 06:38 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Jester - 01-20-2009, 07:46 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-20-2009, 11:54 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-21-2009, 12:00 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Taem - 01-21-2009, 01:01 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by ShadowHM - 01-21-2009, 04:28 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-21-2009, 06:40 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by eppie - 01-21-2009, 10:06 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Crusader - 01-21-2009, 12:18 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by ShadowHM - 01-21-2009, 12:38 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-21-2009, 02:10 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-21-2009, 02:19 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-21-2009, 02:25 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Lissa - 01-21-2009, 02:27 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-21-2009, 03:32 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Tal - 01-21-2009, 03:39 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-21-2009, 03:45 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-21-2009, 09:42 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by ShadowHM - 01-21-2009, 09:57 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Jester - 01-22-2009, 12:15 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-22-2009, 04:36 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-22-2009, 05:09 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Crusader - 01-22-2009, 01:14 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-22-2009, 03:09 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Tal - 01-22-2009, 03:13 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-22-2009, 11:17 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by shoju - 01-23-2009, 04:56 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-24-2009, 04:15 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-24-2009, 08:11 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-25-2009, 04:23 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-25-2009, 09:39 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by ShadowHM - 01-26-2009, 03:07 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by kandrathe - 01-26-2009, 04:40 AM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Crusader - 01-26-2009, 03:51 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Bolty - 01-30-2009, 04:04 PM
3 Children removed from NJ parents - by Tal - 01-30-2009, 04:24 PM

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