January News/Discussion
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Quote:Instant invisibility is 25 points deep in Arcane. Ice Barrier is 30 points deep in Frost. That leaves 12 points. Blink is on a cooldown and only transports them 20 yards (and if Arcane, gives them a 30% resist/miss chance for 4 seconds). Mage Armor reduces magic effects by 50%, not CC/dots. Some dots and some CC are magic, true, but not all. Evocation is interrupted on ANY damage whatsoever and has a 5 min CD (and the heal requires a glyph). Ice Block simply postpones the inevitable (though postponing it can also get rid of it if you've popped CDs obviously).

Mages are slippery, true, but warlocks are far more capable of taking a beating than they are.
Auto-attacks matter a great deal. It amounts from anywhere between 40% to 60% of some classes' total damage (though 60% is rather poor). Ranged classes like warlocks and mages do not have auto-attacks. They need that last 40% on their specials.
Sigh.

Mages have the lowest amount of armor in the game with the exception of priests. Yes, they have some decent panic buttons... but that's it. A mage is a glass cannon, whether you accept it or not.
Please stop insulting me.
Bull. Charge. Stealth. Short-burst speed increases. Mounts. There are half a dozen ways of getting close to a ranged class without them opening up on you first.

And you can always LOS a ranged class. Let me know how that works out against a melee character.

Are we playing the same game? The only way to get anywhere currently in Arena is to be able to offset a huge amount of burst in the immediate timeframe. Since Mages are 4th overall in 2s and 3s (Sample size for +2200 is still too low so I'm listing +2000) and Warlocks are dead last, I'm gonna have to say no, Warlocks are not more capable of taking a beating.

You mentioned 60% autoattack. Besides being outdated - it was at one time that high for Combat Rogues in raids, back when poisons didn't scale (damage poisons aren't used in PvP) and Windfury OH procced MH hits - it's taking raid-style fighting and applying it to PvP, which is nonsensical. You're out of range constantly, and burst-style skills end up contributing much more heavily than in raids.

WWS is being retarded tonight (big surprise there), but on the Stasis parse I found the absolute highest melee damage was 30% by a Rogue.
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January News/Discussion - by Mirajj - 01-06-2009, 03:23 PM
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January News/Discussion - by Sir_Die_alot - 01-06-2009, 08:30 PM
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