ACORN

[Chesspiece_face]

Hi,
Follow the thread of the argument.

kandrathe claims that, "registration fraud leads to voting fraud."

Jester replies that, "There is no evidence that these voter registration issues have led to voter fraud.", and makes it clear that he does not think there is voter fraud.

I believe i've followd the thread of argument perfectly. It started with the issue of ACORNS registration fraud. Then like you said Kandrathe made his claim that "registration fraud leads to voting fraud." now in some cases this may be true, but it is not guaranteed. If = Voter Fraud, Then = Registration Fraud. If = Registration Fraud /= Then = Voter Fraud. As this whole issue is related to ACORN's registration fraud it is correct to say that and only that registration fraud has taken place. If Kandrathe, you, or anyone else wishes to contend that Voter Fraud will result from these fraudulant registrations then I restate my postion: "Show me the proof." If all you have is presuppositions and fears of voter fraud than that is all you have, presuppositions and fears, and you use slimey logic to disguise that fact.

I pointed out that absence of evidence does not mean that it is not happening. I suggest you reread that paragraph. Now, if it is your contention either that all registration fraud (by ACORN or not) is caught, or that the registration fraud that does get through does not lead to fraudulent votes (because it was just done for money, or whatever other reason), then nothing that I can do will convince you otherwise.

--Pete

No, the absence of evidence does not mean that it is not happening but if you wish to make the claim that it is happening it is your responsibility to back up that claim with evidence. The irony that just earlier in this thread you were saying the same thing to Zenda is thick. I go back to the ever used logical example of the blue cow. It is not enough to say that a blue cow exists, one must be willing to provide evidence of a blue cow. You cannot prove a negative, I could say "there is no such thing as a blue cow" and all you would have to do is say "well you haven't looked in my basement." when i ask to look in your basement you just say "no i can't allow that, but trust me there is a blue cow there."

So I say again, In the case of ACORN, if you believe that the issues of registration fraud lead to voter fraud show me the evidence. If all you want to do is make a claim and then pick up your toys and walk away when someone asks you to back it up then you are no better than the other posters here that you decry.

edit: in summation, I do believe that voter fraud exists. I do believe it is something that we should be concerned with. But I also believe that a lot of this is just political ballyhoo and distracts from the real issues in our voting system. I don't believe that any of the decried fraud in ACORN's case will lead to voter fraud as the chances of Mickey Mouse coming to vote or the whole Dallas Cowboys team showing up in Colorado is as close to 0 as possible.