universal healthcare
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Quote:This is exactly the type of self centered appeal that is causing so much of the grief in this country. As soon as the advantage to one group is set above the good of all, divisiveness begins. Citizenship becomes an expression of greed.
And... You don't think our current batch of politicians are motivated by greed? It is not greedy to believe in keeping the fruits of your own labor to give away as you see fit. This is the progressive brainwashing. In that plan, forced altruism is the only pure philosophy. We work, but we don't care what happens with the fruits of our labor as long as we have bread and circuses. Self interest is exactly why taxes should pay for only equally shared government services. Otherwise, when some lose in favor of other winners, then you build K street.
Quote:I, for one, still believe in the greater good and that (sometimes) it is worth some sacrifice to achieve it. But that might just be residual Catholic <strike>brainwashing</strike> upbringing talking.
You contributed a huge amount of money into FICA, and SSI over your working years -- but, now they are cutting back on the promises they made to your generation because they mismanaged the accounts for 50 years. There is no easy answer, but this is not a fix to Medicare. This is in fact, siphoning off medicare funds to pay for a new entitlement program for people who've contributed nothing. What actually happened here, other than shuffling money around, raising some taxes, and dismantling two private markets (health insurance, and student loans)? The same amount of care, and work will be performed, but we are to believe that Government will administer it more efficiently and cheaper than the private sector.

Time will tell, but off hand it seems to me that seniors take a big hit. The 85% of people who are generally happy with their insurance coverage, will be faced with an insurance market in turmoil, with eventually losing their current plans to be given the generic State run, government mandated plan, or be forced into Medicare or Medicaid. 5% were happy without insurance, and will now be forced to pay for it. So, the remaining 10%, who lacked insurance will be the only group who have a chance at being happy about this. Obama says people will learn to love this plan. Why do I feel like we were just set up on a blind date, and ended up kissing a mule? Now we have to pay for the mules dinner too!
”There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio.

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