09-13-2012, 07:46 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-13-2012, 07:52 AM by FireIceTalon.)
(09-13-2012, 07:01 AM)kandrathe Wrote:(09-13-2012, 06:42 AM)eppie Wrote:I would disagree in that these lands were no more Christian inspired than they were White inspired. The tribal (us versus them) psychosis is ingrained in humanity, and takes effort to overcome (a unifying force greater than the factionalizing forces). It matters little how you discriminate the "US" and the "THEM", but given a difference the two tribes will find a reason to hate and fight the others. This is basic understood Social Identity Theory -- and well documented in experiments that have led ( of formerly equal peers) the in-group to go so far are to be willing to torture the designated out-group. It has little to do with race or religion, and everything to do with positive esteem and rewards showered upon the in-group members by the in-group power elite when they affirm the discrimination. When there are no out-groups to fight, homogenous Christian, or Muslim groups will begin fighting each other (Catholic vs Protestant, Sunni versus Shia, etc.)(09-12-2012, 09:07 PM)Jester Wrote: The inquisition is hardly the last piece of Christian-inspired psychosis. Explicitly Christian Anti-Jewish pogroms were common in Christian lands well into the 20th century, notably in Russia, where hundreds of thousands were killed.Jester, well put, the whole post is a very good explanation about was is wrong with the assumptions Ashock, and many others make.
We are inherently tribal, and violent.
Not really. Before the Inquisition, Native American relationships among most tribes was relatively stable and peaceful. Conflict between groups of people is the result of social, not intrinsic, constructs and material conditions, especially when class antagonisms are involved. It has absolutely nothing to do with "human nature".
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)