10-29-2012, 09:58 PM
I agree with most everything your saying, but I do have a few knits.
You inadvertently hit the nail on the head there! It's not a class issue, but the struggle. Both men and women like control, but men in-particular like to quarrel; I'd say it's in our very nature most likely due to our Testosterone. So for women to get to the top, they not only have to just fight against "the system", but their male contemporaries and husbands as well, and if most women are anything like the women I know best (my wife, my mother, my grandmother, and my wife's mother), then they don't really want to fight, but would rather placate the situation with peace. However, because men are always willing to fight tit for tat, it really does become the woman's role to be subservient unless they are willing to stand up for their freedoms; I still can't fathom for the life of me why any woman would want Romney's agenda [and his supporters] to win. I can only guess a large portion of women like being in the subservient role because that's what they've been taught in Sunday school. To bad. Even in a classless society, unless more and more women take up a masculine role, I don't expect much will change. Already in America, women have filled many male roles and many things have in fact changed, but to become fully realized, for full equality, women will have to be just as aggressive as men for men to respect them on equal ground, and that's a fact. Oh, and religions need to undergo a drastic de-womanizing and anti-sexist rewriting overhaul.
I assume you mean in this day and age, because "culture" wars come and go; the Roman Empire was in power for over 400 years (300 more than our great nation) and controlled by what you might call the Mediterranean race, which is not Caucasian, btw. Every culture has it's moment in the sun; eventually even America's will set, but hopefully we can outlast the Roman empire. But back on track, I'd say that your perspective is skewed because of where you live: in Mexico, the richest people are Hispanic. In China, the richest people are Chinese. Go figure... Again picking on China, I'm pretty sure they could care less about Caucasian people trying to be leaders in their society - because that won't happen - and furthermore, scoff at the notion of countries with Caucasian leaders holding Capitalist rule when they have these countries by the balls in terms of how much debt these other countries owe China. No, I think it's more where you live. Maybe you were thinking smaller, like racism in a community or state. I suppose a bit of that can be found all over the world, in every culture no matter what your nationality, so no need to prop up Caucasians unnecessarily.
(10-29-2012, 08:16 AM)FireIceTalon Wrote: <snip> The fact is, gender inequality is a social development that is an intrinsic process within ANY class antagonist system - whether it is slavery, feudalism, or capitalism. <snip> Women have overcome many barriers, but that isn't because capitalism is a better system than previous systems or because it improves over time (it really doesn't), but because women formed political feminist movements and struggles and fought for these gains.
You inadvertently hit the nail on the head there! It's not a class issue, but the struggle. Both men and women like control, but men in-particular like to quarrel; I'd say it's in our very nature most likely due to our Testosterone. So for women to get to the top, they not only have to just fight against "the system", but their male contemporaries and husbands as well, and if most women are anything like the women I know best (my wife, my mother, my grandmother, and my wife's mother), then they don't really want to fight, but would rather placate the situation with peace. However, because men are always willing to fight tit for tat, it really does become the woman's role to be subservient unless they are willing to stand up for their freedoms; I still can't fathom for the life of me why any woman would want Romney's agenda [and his supporters] to win. I can only guess a large portion of women like being in the subservient role because that's what they've been taught in Sunday school. To bad. Even in a classless society, unless more and more women take up a masculine role, I don't expect much will change. Already in America, women have filled many male roles and many things have in fact changed, but to become fully realized, for full equality, women will have to be just as aggressive as men for men to respect them on equal ground, and that's a fact. Oh, and religions need to undergo a drastic de-womanizing and anti-sexist rewriting overhaul.
(10-29-2012, 08:16 AM)FireIceTalon Wrote: The way the inequality between the sexes is administered has changed over time, yes, but it still undoubtedly exists. Capitalism is no exception to this rule - it is a class antagonist society. There is always the dominant class and there are the so-called "others" - for race it is whites and everyone else,
I assume you mean in this day and age, because "culture" wars come and go; the Roman Empire was in power for over 400 years (300 more than our great nation) and controlled by what you might call the Mediterranean race, which is not Caucasian, btw. Every culture has it's moment in the sun; eventually even America's will set, but hopefully we can outlast the Roman empire. But back on track, I'd say that your perspective is skewed because of where you live: in Mexico, the richest people are Hispanic. In China, the richest people are Chinese. Go figure... Again picking on China, I'm pretty sure they could care less about Caucasian people trying to be leaders in their society - because that won't happen - and furthermore, scoff at the notion of countries with Caucasian leaders holding Capitalist rule when they have these countries by the balls in terms of how much debt these other countries owe China. No, I think it's more where you live. Maybe you were thinking smaller, like racism in a community or state. I suppose a bit of that can be found all over the world, in every culture no matter what your nationality, so no need to prop up Caucasians unnecessarily.
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