Bourgeois pigs kill suicidal 16 year old boy.

[DeeBye]

So if Jester and Shadow want to keep side-stepping my objections by pretending that "birthing" is the only true meaning of being alive.... well then I think they are sadly mistaken

I don't think they are saying that the physical act of being "birthed" makes one alive - they are saying that once a fetus is physically able to survive outside the womb they can be defined as a person.

edit: as an aside, have you watched the movie Gattaga? I think you might find it interesting.