DOMA and Prop 8. Both History.
(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: Actually, (And I can't believe that I'm even doing this) The Biebs is a product of hard work, and discovery, but not because they wanted a star.
right


(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: He was HUGE on Youtube before he got famous.
Which is proving a point?

(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: He was actually discovered on Youtube, by the hardest working man in Show Biz, Usher Raymond.
Don't know who he is, don't care.



(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: (who, despite being on the last season of the voice, I have a huge amount of respect for.)

The what?


(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: Now, I can't stand his music, and I do think that he is a pretty big pain in the ass, but lets not perpetuate false information.
I don't know his music, or that he is a pain in the ass



(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: He does have talent, he isn't just some pretty face with a mediocre voice. he is a musician.
If anyone with a voice and some dance moves, and the ability to play cords would be famous, where would that bring us.


(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: And while I may not like his music, or his personality, I can respect his musicianship.
Yeah, we probably have different scales which we use to decide if someone gets our respect.



(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: Now, that doesn't make what you said about the Industry incorrect "on a whole" Just in this specific case. They didn't decide to "make a star" out of the biebs. They decided to take a youtube star, and make him a global star. In essence, they just sped up the process. He was well on his way to being a huge star anyway.

O yeah, he obviously is the next Bob Dylan.


(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: I have a large amount of loathing for the RIAA, and those companies that comprise it. I hate what they do to artists, and I abhor what they do to young people by sucking them up, shoving them in front of the world, and grinding them into a pulp.
Well my problem is more with all the poor teenagers that get pressured in to spending their money on this crap.....well, one positive thing; you just told me he used to be on youtube and that is free. (yeaaaa 1 point for Bieber)


(07-08-2013, 03:27 PM)shoju Wrote: My band came awfully close to getting a deal, and while I'm not rich, or famous now, I thank my magical being that sometimes grants me things that I would consider miracles that I didn't get signed. I've learned a lot since then, and one thing I learned is that I would have been dead inside 24 months.


Anyway, after reading your post; I don't know who is to blame, Bieber or his record company but I still don't get feeling of respect for them sending crap into the ether. And yes I have never heard one of his songs. and yes I am prejudiced against musicians
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