Guccifer casts out Hillary
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Sorry, I can't contain myself any longer;

(05-27-2015, 06:33 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: Lastly, the capitalists are indifferent (at best) to whether I can buy a house or not. What they care about is making a profit, and nothing else. If it is profitable for them for me to be able to buy a house, they will be all for it. If it isn't profitable, then no.

Of course a "Capitalist" interests lie with making money, but so does most normal people. I have two issues with your statement; 1) if you had enough money to purchase a house outright, you could negotiate a lower rate than the asking rate from the owner, bypassing the bank completely except for the title transfer, and this deal would be between you and the owner, no banks involved. If the owners intention was to make a profit on their home, such as a fixer-uper, then of course you'd expect to pay a bit more than asking price once the current owner has fixed the place up. This is logical. I assume by your logic, people should be given homes simply because they are alive? 2) it is human nature to covet what they don't have, and no degree of socialism or Communism will solve this problem because that's how humans are, and it's not some type of forced ideology, but the core of who we as a species are. There is no entitlement just for being you in any society that has ever existed... you must earn your respect and earn your way through life, and no matter how separated a society is from the rest of the world, such as the still indigenous tribes in South America, even they adhere to this rule, the rule of mine is mine and yours is yours. According to your doctrine, people have been breed to believe this jargon, but history speaks otherwise. It is in our very nature.

(05-27-2015, 06:33 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: This is why supply and demand is a folly concept. In most markets, demand is artificially created through means of advertising to be able to generate profits (for instance, the beauty industry makes billions of dollars off women's insecurities through advertisement and the perpetuation of cultural sterotypes of what beauty is)

Not at all. Women have made the market due to their own greed and desires since the dawn of time guy. Ever study fashion in college? You'd know how womens fashion went in and out of style due to the whims of womens (en mass) desire to out-dress their competition, i.e. other women. Capatists may have jumped on this concept and made a pretty penny, but make no mistake, it is women who made the market, and decide what "is" beauty by scrutinizing one another. You're a fool to believe some rich person with hidden agendas decides what women should and shouldn't wear... that's not how it works at all! The womens greed decides the fashion of the day, and the designers create what the women want, then the capitalists find a way to milk that concept. In regards to makeup, better makeup is more expensive, but you can find startups selling their wares for dirt cheap also, problem is the quality is not as good. You get what you pay for, but again, women are free to chose what they want, and most of the time, they want what they don't have, what *that* other woman wants, and that's what drives the market!

(05-27-2015, 06:33 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: while at the same time the capitalist system creates artificial scarcity because it is based on production for profit and not human need.

Using your womans beauty example, this is dead wrong. Using something well known to be exploitative, blood diamonds, then you might have a point, however again, if the need wasn't so high, there wouldn't be anything for those entrepreneurs - the ones you like to refer to as capitalists - to hock in the first place. Currently where I live in California, we have a severe water drought, and the prices of water have gone way up. Why? It's not like raising the rates buys us more water when there's none to get from other counties currently. They do it as a demotivator, a caution to not abuse the water we currently have left. Will the water companies take this excess money and use it to purchase desalination plants? I doubt it... it will most likely line the pockets of the rich and the city will be forced to raise taxes to pay for the desal plant, but hey, kudos to the man pulling the strings hiding behind his cloak making an extra buck while he can.

(05-27-2015, 06:33 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: That is why there is such a huge demand for clean water and electricity in the 3rd world, but little supply of it - because it isn't PROFITABLE to supply those things there. There are almost as many empty houses in the United States as there there is homeless people. This is a real-world description of how the capitalist system ACTUALLY works at its core, regardless of whatever idealized version you have of it.

If it concerns you so much, why don't you help kickstart a donation for third world nations that need this type of stuff? There are plenty of multi-billionares who donate millions of dollars to [read] real charities where money does reach those in need. The Bill and Melinda Gate Foundation for example. There are rich capitalists who do see a problem with the system and try to do some good in this world with their money, but all the money in the world can't solve our incessant need for greed, the desire deep inside us all to be better than our neighbor, the old biblical adage of Exodus 20:17,

Quote:Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.

and yet, its what we do FIT. It was never a learned system, but something in our DNA, the reason we are competitive, the reason we play sports and try to "beat" our opponents, and for whatever reason, a concept you don't seem to comprehend despite being integral to our very species.
"The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self." -Albert Einsetin
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