Meanwhile, In France.

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That's most impressive. OTOH, I've lived in Brooklyn for 20 years and while in college, moonlighted driving car service in a place that bordered Bed Sty, which I had to frequent on a regular basis. Your point?

Also, there is a slight difference between killing/raping boy/girlfriends of gang members (who are often involved themselves) and gang raping a sister of some guy that looked funny at *your* sister... and not just by some punks, but by respected members of a village. Ooh ooh, and my personal favorite... stoning a woman who was raped, because she is unclean.

Apples and testicles.
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My point was trying to relay some personal information that I thought was relevant to the topic at hand. You may disagree.

We are discussing the behavior of gangs in a ghetto situation in industrial nations, not the behavior of ignorant "savages" in the distant corner of a third world country. Although the two aren't completely unrelated. My example was meant to apply to the former and not the latter. The topic as was originally posted by Doc, was about a set of circumstances in France. There is the separate and probably much nastier discussion of the institutionalized treatment of women in very poor third world Muslim countries.

Trying to apply the gangsta standard to a comparison of cultures strikes me as bad reasoning. The gangsta subculture is just that, a subculture, and a lawless, illegal behavior. The fact that stoning is a legit sanction for infidelity in some Muslim settings, for example, is a different issue than what the clans and tribes do as vigilantes under cultural norms versus explicit laws encoded in the Sharia.
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I agree. I do draw a distinction between aberrant and anti-social behavior in widely lawful setting (France), versus institutionalized mistreatment of a particular group of people as the social norm (parts of Sudan or Afghanistan, etc). In this instance (Doc's article), I see more similarity than differences between the Modus Operandi of the gangs in the article and gangs in other parts of the world. I'm not trying to discount that undoubtedly the origin of the gang members will influence some of their tactics.