11-01-2005, 03:19 PM
Skan> While I agree with pretty much all this and while you touched on the debuff clearing I still think that for Mongo at least this is the biggest issue.
Cleanse is powerful. It's poweful in PvE and PvP. Totems are much harder to use reactively and while a well placed pro active totem is a pain, reactive totems (and you can't be reactive on a fear) do get killed. Alliance does have a more usable debuffer. Cross party debuffing as well as faster response to a single target. A reative totem takes time to pulse, heck a proactive totem still takes time to pulse. In all that I see from Mongo this really seems to be the sticking point. Though the horde has more people that can wipe buffs than alliance does but this doesn't seem as powerful since debuffs are stronger than buffs in most cases and situations.
I also agree that the horde would find their priest in mail more powerful if they had more people that played them as priests in mail. I remember in the past Mongo ripping paladins that tried to play offensively with lots of learn to play your class. But yet I never saw him rip shamans that played offensively when they can be damn powerful defensively as well.
Now I'll get to my point and not directly respond to Skan. Priest - can play offensively and defensively. Shaman - Can play offensively and defensively. Warrior - Can play offensively and defensively (though really they seem much better on offense). Druid - Can play offensively and deensively (though except for capping they seem to be more defensive). Mages - Can play offensively and defensively. Paladins - can play defensively get laughed at and killed quickly when trying to provide offense.
Do people see the issue there? Do peopel see what the paladins are complaining about? I would gladly give up some of my defensive abilities to have some damn control of my DPS.
I'm not going to claim that paired with another class paladins don't really start to shine and in PvP probably add more to a duo than any other class would. But except for priests how many other classes are pigeon holed into just do one thing in PvP? You have to play defensively all the time you don't have the option to do anything else. I just don't see this for other classes.
Oh well.
Cleanse is powerful. It's poweful in PvE and PvP. Totems are much harder to use reactively and while a well placed pro active totem is a pain, reactive totems (and you can't be reactive on a fear) do get killed. Alliance does have a more usable debuffer. Cross party debuffing as well as faster response to a single target. A reative totem takes time to pulse, heck a proactive totem still takes time to pulse. In all that I see from Mongo this really seems to be the sticking point. Though the horde has more people that can wipe buffs than alliance does but this doesn't seem as powerful since debuffs are stronger than buffs in most cases and situations.
I also agree that the horde would find their priest in mail more powerful if they had more people that played them as priests in mail. I remember in the past Mongo ripping paladins that tried to play offensively with lots of learn to play your class. But yet I never saw him rip shamans that played offensively when they can be damn powerful defensively as well.
Now I'll get to my point and not directly respond to Skan. Priest - can play offensively and defensively. Shaman - Can play offensively and defensively. Warrior - Can play offensively and defensively (though really they seem much better on offense). Druid - Can play offensively and deensively (though except for capping they seem to be more defensive). Mages - Can play offensively and defensively. Paladins - can play defensively get laughed at and killed quickly when trying to provide offense.
Do people see the issue there? Do peopel see what the paladins are complaining about? I would gladly give up some of my defensive abilities to have some damn control of my DPS.
I'm not going to claim that paired with another class paladins don't really start to shine and in PvP probably add more to a duo than any other class would. But except for priests how many other classes are pigeon holed into just do one thing in PvP? You have to play defensively all the time you don't have the option to do anything else. I just don't see this for other classes.
Oh well.
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.
It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.