Quote:Seems to me that games that last that long are rarely "good fought" games. It's just an exercise in frustration -- who will give up first? You can turtle indefinitely. There needs to be incentive -not to-, that aligns personal interest (honor gain, whatever) with the objectives of the battlefield.
Are you implying that AV is not broken? I find this very surprising. I recently did 5 AVs in a row without dying. I'm a PvE specced raiding holy priest with no PvP gear to speak of, so killing me is really really easy (and important). PvP is an afterthought for the most part. Actually PvPing is counterproductive to the goal of honor -- they need to figure out how to correlate winning with reward better (and not decreasing the current honor gain rates significantly).
Huh. Never fallen through the world in any BG (back in beta I ended up underneath Orgrimmar, but that's the closest I've come to any such thing). Bonemage this last week did fall through the world when the Alliance death coiled him behind the entrance portal to the Stockade. We had to summon him to fix it.
I think most players would want a lot more fixed in AV. It's been far nicer since the Horde doesn't have to worry about 15-20 AFKers, but the race-style games are hardly interesting. The whole concept of AV (using resources to summon NPCs, capture objectives etc.) is not used at all.
No, I don't often fall through the world in AV but the most recent experience was fresh in my mind when I posted. There was nothing to be done until the game ended. Fortunately, as I recall, we won.
I agree that PvP does not necessarily equate with honor, and the "honor" system we have now does not have much to do with honor. It is just another type of grind for items. At the moment it seems players have pretty much figured out how to maximize honor points. On our battlegroup Alliance queues are typically a minute or two, down from two hours prior to last patch. Most games are in the range of 11 to 17 minutes. Horde usually win, though often Alliance get more honor. Last night I did not log on till close to midnight, did dailies, and still came away with 8999 honor when the honor rolled over for the day. In the current state AV is not as much fun as it used to be but it is addictive. In my opinion some of the best games in recent months were just before the last patch when there were sometimes less than twenty players on a side.
The strategy of defending the cave is still a problem, at least on the Alliance side. Maybe one reason Alliance used to win more is that previously the Alliance team would fill up after the gate was opened, with the effect that more players were on defence. (That, and I have not been playing with my priest or shaman.)
I suspect the real reason Alliance has not been doing better at battlegrounds is that our officers in the Champions' Hall are still studying the pre-BC maps of Azeroth. Blizzard never updated the artwork of the continents. It is a nice touch though that the detail map on the table is the map of Southshore.
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