DOMA and Prop 8. Both History.

[kandrathe]

As for Marx being a drunk and moocher of Engels - perhaps this is true. "Moocher" is a rather disparaging term, though. Engels and Marx were friends, and Marx suffered from many health problems later in life, and he also lost one of his children. Engels willingly helped him financially as a friend, and I look at it that way more than I do Marx being a "moocher". As for him being a drunk, well, it wouldn't surprise me if he was. Between the hardships he suffered, and observing the horrors of 19th century capitalism and having a better understanding of it than anyone else, would probably be enough to make any person not want to look at the world through sober eyes. I know even in TODAY'S capitalist society, many suffer from alcoholism and depression, and not just because of a personal tragedy or hardship they experienced, but often because of financial problems or the alienation which the capitalist system imposes upon them - whether they understand the system or not. At any rate, I don't think Marx being a drunk and helped out by Engels is even close to putting a dent in the validity of their theoretical framework.

But, again, you've taken the example outside the context of what we were discussing.

It was a pointed barb, yes, however true and unsubstantiated. But it was in reference to your fallacy of the excluded middle.

For example, "Eagles are the most noble bird, and if you don't agree you are an idiot."

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Well, I could easily go out of state and have a justice-of-the-peace quickie elsewhere and then just have a formal party back home. I don't know if there's much point of that, though, since the marriage won't be recognized where I live and I rather expect my career will move me elsewhere eventually.

I meant to ask you about this. Seeing as how your state currently views you as sub-human, do you envision yourself moving to another state in the near future that more appropriately recognizes your equality to other human beings? Assuming you give your state some time to come around, of course. The next five years will be quite interesting on that front, as I'm sure we can all predict fairly accurately which states will be updating their laws and which won't.

My first reaction upon hearing the Supreme Court rulings was that there was bound to be a slow "brain drain" out of the backwards states as the affluent (meaning able to pick up and move as desired) homosexual community members migrate to places where their marriages would be considered valid.

We are getting enlightened in Minnesota.