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Don't be envious. But don't hate them because their passion put them in a position where they are wealthy and famous. That isn't their fault. It's the society within which they live.

Shoju, you keep using the same flaw in your arguments against me.

I say I don't respect people just because they are a good athlete are musician.
I don't say I surely disrespect an athlete or musician.

The fact that I am biased against musicians and professional athlete just means it takes me longer to start respecting them (say, longer than a politician or whatever) but it doesn't mean I will never respect them.

I say, just being good in sports or music for me is not enough to respect someone.

(and this is really the last thing I say about this)

It's not a flaw in my logic. It's me taking what you said at face value.

1You said you'd never heard his music.
2You then said that you were biased against musicians.
3You then went on to say that you didn't have respect for people just because they were good at something.
4And then you went so far as to say that we (artists) are a self centered bunch of people, at least more so than the rest of the world.

5And I'm telling you, that is a load of bullshit. You have automatically decided that this group of people have to go out of their way to make an impression on you because you don't like something about them.

6That's.... just racism, applied to a different set of standards. Instead of being biased against someone because of their race, or because of their nationality, you have decided to bias yourself against a group of people because they have artistic talent.

Seriously? That's about the most batshit insane line of reasoning I've heard.

OK last comment.
You really seem to do this not understanding me on purpose.
I put numbers in your text and I will comment on them.

1 correct (but I saw his face in the crappy internet newspaper I also read almost daily)

2 correct and also against professional athletes. Not because I don't like sports or music or because I can't appreciate a great song or athletic performance but more because of the fact that (apart from how much I can enjoy what they do) it is not the same as a doctor or a scientist and that is my bias as a socialist that I find it not correct that people who do these type of things get filthy rich.

3 correct...did you read the word JUST?? If you don't agree with that sentence it means you respect every artist or prof sportsman just becausäthey do that......and I guess you don't.

4 I think I explained myself pretty clearly the first time. You HAVE to be pretty self centered to 'make it' in these businesses. You have to have a drive that people who are self centered have. Anyway, I also said that being self centered is much more present in these groups. I know my English is not great but I think that meant that not everybody is like that. When (take the musci example) we take teen idols that sing crappy popsongs probably this percentage is even a bit higher.
But seriously...who do you respect more Hendrix or say, the Stones who are still performing while being in their seventies?? (yes the good answer should be Hendrix)

5 What are you talking about? I just say that just having a song in the hit parade is not enough for me to respect you....so what??

6 No. I am biased to them because (see before). MAking crappy cheap shit and making millions in the process (Britney SPears anyone??). And yes that means i am biased against Bieber and not against the Boss.