(01-13-2014, 08:15 PM)Hammerskjold Wrote: Then I suggest you don't casually throw around insinuations that an artist has 'mommy issues' when they draw a figure with bigger than life breasts.
I am discussing the *design*, not the *artist*. What is it that is embodied by this... thing... that has been created?
Nobody (as best I know) dreams of being this character, only observing them. She has exactly two exaggerated characteristics: Boobs, and butt. Her waist is shrunk to almost nothing in order to magnify those two characteristics. Her pose is so classically sexualized that there is a tumblr devoted just to chronicling its overuse. Maybe you have a very different version of heroism than I do, but those do not strike me as heroic characteristics. She does not look tough, or crafty, or stealthy, or capable, or mysterious - not even the cartoonishly exaggerated versions of those things. She just looks absurd. Pose, costume, anatomy, facial expression, the works. Pure sexual fantasy.
Quote:I also suggest not throwing around 'I understand it's fantasy, it's not about realism', then ask, 'well how does her dress hold up in actual battle then?'
Wielding powerful spells is fantasy. Being clad in armour and fighting epic battles is fantasy. Slaying dragons is fantasy. People cannot do these things - they are participatory fantasies, putting yourself in the role of someone who can have adventures that are beyond our ordinary life. If I could do those things, be that character, it would be awesome, at least on some dimension.
Having breasts the size of watermelons falling out of my clothes is fantasy, but not of that type. Perhaps my imagination is just too limited, but I'm not interested in putting myself in the role of someone whose magic power is to make her dress stay up, or to twist her spine into sexy but back-breaking poses. This is a different kind of fantasy.
And not all fantasies are equal.
Quote:Because in previous similar discussions you've shown you are capable of understanding the concept of separation of art and artists, and tropes (good or bad ones) of a genre.
For what little it's worth, examples of Kamitami's previous work is easily found online. And from what I've seen, he doesn't do big breast errwhere style, all day erry day.
You seem really defensive about this artist. I have no particular beef with him - I don't know him from Adam. I am criticizing these character models in this game. If he's usually better than this, then I'm willing to accept that. I have no dog in that race.
For what it's worth, I'm a huge fan of Phil Foglio, who has drawn several lifetimes' worth of big boobs. But somehow, he keeps it together, even when he is literally doing pornography.
Quote:You or anyone else is entitled to the opinion that the game's artwork shows one sided hypersexualization. I'm entitled to question whether that opinion is based on a superficial reaction, or a more thorough reading\look.
I haven't played the game, I don't know the artist. If you think those things change the context, I could look further. But it would take some very impressive world-building (not to mention a titanium corset) to support that sorceress model as anything but an egregiously sexist trope, pandering of the most basic kind. Even (especially?) great artists make mistakes.
Quote:Again, D2 sorc, underboob. I don't care how skilled of an elementalist you are, unless she casted a perma spell of ward off hypothermia (off screen before hand), underboob exposure can be deadly when approaching Act 5 Harrogath climate.
I'd have liked to have seen a bit less fanservice on the sorceress model. But at least her design and poses suggested confidence and competence, rather than a snapped spine and sexual receptivity.
Quote:Despite all that I don't and won't casually throw a personal insinuation on D2 artists (or any other artists), based solely on seeing a limited sample of their creative work. I don't have that right, nothing gave me that right as best as I remember.
I can say what I like about their *designs*. They created them and released them into the world. That's not private. If I think they're nothing but pandering stereotypes, or juvenile power fantasy, I can say that. I don't have to say anything in particular about the artist, though I would surely like to talk to them about their choices. The DII designs are tight enough that I'm not going to kick up a fuss. Dragon's Crown is way, way over the line.
Regardless, you were the one who accused me of projecting mommy issues, and since that's about, you know, ME, maybe we ought not to talk too much about who has the right to say what.
Quote:That's it and that's all, everything else we can cordially agree to disagree on.
Hi, I'm Jester. I argue until everyone involved passes out. Pleased to meet you.
-Jester