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[Hammerskjold]

Fine. And if what you want is an acknowledgement that you are technically correct, that there is in fact someone (indeed, apparently a handful of someones) who would want to cosplay that character, you already have it. Goal scored. Congratulations. You win the ribbon.

...So you don't want to wear the Caterpillar costume?

Anyway, your sense and sensibilities are not the same as mine. The reverse is also true. Maybe, it's because of differing experiences that can shape a world view. Where you draw your own personal line may not match with mine, or anyone else's exactly.

Everyone has their own demarcation point, but there is no set in stone, commonly agreed line. The best you're ever going to get is a range in constant flux. That's because you're dealing with human beans.

I hope that's not news to you by this point.

The boobs-and-butt pose is not just exaggerated. You can draw it with otherwise anatomically correct characters, although you have to snap their spines.

There are many things that can only exist in the 2d realm, exaggerated or not. ( What is, flattened perspective in ancient Egyptian art, Alex?)

I personally have no problems with that concept, and I don't always need to have a 3d identical equivalent to justify the existence of the 2d version. My own taste or opinion aside.

Because maybe oh-idunno, sometimes there is no direct translation\equivalent possible between the two.



Here's Mrs. Jessica Rabbit. This is not a real life woman. No real life woman with her exact 2d proportions can exist in our 3d space. That's because Jessica Rabbit is a 2d construct.

She predates the DCrown Sorceress. She is one of the main characters in the film 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit'. The film features many scenes of other western cartoon chars spanning different eras and style as well. Not just her and her cleavage, despite the numerous images of the char and youtube clips found online.

The problem is that it's ridiculous and sexist. There is a meme entirely devoted to putting male characters in these same poses. The results are hilarious and disturbing. The same is *not* true of putting female characters in male poses. The way these characters are drawn, designed, posed and animated is deeply asymmetrical.

If you mean the Hawkeye meme, yeah I'm familiar. And yes, I likes that meme. A lot of superhero western comics does have a problem on handling sexy vs sexist.

Lemming beat me to the clock on this one, but I think there is something worth noting in that Vanillaware is a Japanese studio. Japanese manga, animation, and vidyas can and does have a different sensibility than N.American ones.

The Hawkeye meme works, and works well when used with many western context to highlight a problem.

Not sure if it would work with a Japanese sensibilities, because I'd argue their range is quite wide vs western comics\toons. Asian and European comics\animation seem to embrace and accept 2d as a medium to tell any and all kinds of stories.

N. America for the most part, still treats it as a very limited genre. 'Childish 'pitcher books or cartoons' for people who haven't graduated to reading a real full book without pictures'. (edited to fix a mistake in previous sentence.)

This for example, is a clip from an anime series called 'Kill La Kill'. It has stripperific power costumes for the female protagonist and female antagonist. Like, to a super ridicilous level, to the point of ...this has got to be satirical.

However in this clip shown, this is the male supporting char, and put in various Hawkeye meme poses or as close as possible equivalent. Oh yeah, and his nipples glows.


(Fair warning for those who are sensitive to male nipples, even fabulous ones.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GuZfvid9rc

Could be just me, but he doesn't look ridicilous, or disturbing. He genuinely looks awesome fabulous with those hawkeye poses to my eyes.

TL,DR:

Jessica Rabbit is possibly a distant relative to the DCrown Sorceress. Japanese anime can show a male char in a Hawkeye Meme pose with glowing male nipples, and I happen to find them fabulous, not ridicilous.

The barriers between 2d and 3d may exist for a good reason. If anyone were to directly transfer Rob Liefeld's characters into our 3d world without any translation.

You will have a lot of amputated characters screaming, 'MY HANDS AND FEET!!!111 WHERE ARE THEY?! Why Rob why...why did you cut my hands and feet off with the panel just because you have trouble drawing humanoid limbs...why....oh dear god I can't breathe...to much muscles on..my chest...guhrgle...