10-14-2016, 07:55 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-14-2016, 08:30 PM by FireIceTalon.)
(10-13-2016, 10:54 AM)Jester Wrote:(10-12-2016, 10:09 PM)kandrathe Wrote: The Democrats torpedoed the socialist their party probably would have nominated over Hillary. I think Sanders should have been the Democrats candidate. They've stacked their deck with super delegates so that the establishment party core gets a big hand in selecting their person. Sanders made them reveal their flawed system.
I am confused by this. The Democrats held a primary. Hillary won, by any count at all - the primary by the rules, the popular vote, the most states, the biggest states, without counting superdelegates, only counting superdelegates, etc. There is no way to slice the result of that election such that Bernie Sanders would have won it. That IS the Democrats nominating their candidate. They didn't pick Bernie, they did pick Hillary.
If Hillary (or the DNC) stacked the deck, they didn't need to. It was closer than I thought possible for someone as far left as Bernie, but it wasn't a photo finish.
-Jester
Make no mistake about it, I am not a Bernie supporter and am very far to his left. To me he is nothing more than your average social democrat at best, and merely wants to save capitalism from itself, nothing more.
However, things are not so cut and dry as you think.
I figured it was relatively common knowledge by now that the super delegates were put in place to reign in and/or prevent more "left-wing" democrats from being able to challenge more acceptable and mainstream friendly bourgeois candidates on equal terms. Because by bourgeois standards, Bernie's positions are considered radical (even if in the big scheme of things, calling him radical is rather an insult to socialism but its beside the point). Super delegates were put in place by the ruling class to keep exactly these types of democrats from being able to fairly challenge more moderate party members, let alone actually get them elected.
So, what you got is a 2-party system that is extremely rigid and undemocratic to begin with, and then its further compounded by the fact that both parties methods of selecting their respective candidates are extremely rigid and unfairly conducted as well, but especially in the case of the democrats from what I can see.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)