U.S. Presidential debate

[FireIceTalon]

[quote='FireIceTalon' pid='212646' dateline='1478727170'].

You didn't break the glass ceiling, Hillary. You broke the fucking glass FLOOR, so now we will all fall into the abyss of Trumpism. In short, thanks for fucking nothing.

But on the other hand, I find it hard to believe that Trump could do more damage to the world than GW Bush did. It is easy to see this as a completely new thing in politics but as said before don't forget also Reagan and GWBush were elected. The damage those two brought to the world Trump can only dream of doing.

I wish this were the truth. G W Bush and Reagan were goons, but honestly they were just stupid and pretty much your average American conservative, ideologically speaking. Trump isn't merely stupid, he is an extremely dangerous individual with very reactionary and unprecedented rhetoric and ideas - to the point where even certain members of his own party do not want to work with him. If you watched his campaign at all you would see he makes those other two look quite moderate in comparison. When G W Bush got elected, I wasn't scared. Disappointed, yes. Scared, no.

With Trump in the White House, this potentially spells danger on our very civil rights and much progress that has been made in the last 60 or so years is quite possibly now in jeopardy. This wasn't the case with the other candidates you mentioned, as much as I hated them I never felt this type of anxiety about them like I do Trump.

Trump is a populist but he is not an extreme republican

His politics in many instances, are reactionary even by most Republican standards. He has enough personal traits and his ideology is very closely in line with that of a Fascist. It's pretty safe to say he is one. All one has to do is watch his campaign and the rhetoric he spewed at his rallies. When GW Bush was in office a lot of liberals cried the blues and called him a Fascist. It's pretty funny cause he is nothing of the sort. However, the dreaded F-word fits Trump almost to a T. He would almost be very much at home in the Tea Party.

But like I said before, I blame this on the liberals. I already know what laughably predictable scapegoats they will use to explain this too: Wikileaks, Russia, the media, negative reporting on Hillary, Comey, etc.....I'll tell you right now, it was none of them. I've said time and again, this is what happens when you pander to identity politics and abandon class politics. Thus, the Right will inevitably find inroads to the working class and shift their politics to the right. Trump was able to appeal to a broken system and a ruling elite that didn't care about the little guy, where as Hillary continue the usual liberal tagline of appealing to identity politics and was thus viewed as a guardian of the system, which she most certainly is. Trump of course is also, but he was able to deflect that perception away quite brilliantly. If he were up against Bernie though, it almost certainly would be a very different story.

I'm not a Bernie fan, but he would have wiped the floor with Trump, since he was able to do a similar thing as he was able to put class politics back on the table but from the bourgeois left side of things. Liberals are crying hysterically right now, but their tears are deserved and they have no one to blame but themselves for this mess. Meanwhile, socialists can only facepalm, shake our heads, and say "we told ya so" for the umpteenth millionth time.

I just don't see Trump being able to do that same kind of damage.

I do. And then some. It truly is very dark times right now. I hate Hillary and the liberals, but this guy getting in office is just about the worst thing that could have happened. I think I'm gonna go invest into the distributor of Xanax.