So not a hate crime?
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(01-08-2017, 12:51 AM)EspyLacopa Wrote:
FireIceTalon Wrote:Mostly, I am concerned with the first 2 paragraphs of the Wiki link for my purposes, and not so much with the links within them which may or may not align with my main argument.

So. . .you're willing to ignore any evidence and logic that doesn't align with your own argument? That seems rather short-sighted to me; How can you truly learn and grow and then create better arguments if you aren't willing to examine how they may be in error?

If the so-called evidence is incorrect or structured upon a fallacy and/or misconception, and thus not congruent to material reality, then yes, it will be disregarded - as it should be.

from the first link I posted:

Quote:In order to be racist, you need to possess two traits. The first is privilege: A structural, institutional, and social advantage. White people occupy positions of racial privilege, even when they are disadvantaged in other ways. White women, for example, consistently make more than black women, because they benefit from racial attitudes. Furthermore, you also have to have power: the ability, backed up by society, to be a strong social influencer, with greater leeway when it comes to what you do, where, and how.

For instance, white people benefit from privilege and power when they aren’t arrested for drug crimes at disproportionate rates, while black people experience racism when they’re arrested, and sentenced, for the same crimes. This reflects a racialized power imbalance in the justice system. It’s about the privilege and power of white offenders (less likely to be racially profiled, more likely to have strong legal representation, more likely to be able to talk police officers out of an arrest) and the lack of social status for black offenders.

People of color talking about white people don’t occupy positions of privilege or power. Therefore, they cannot be racist. Racism is structural, not personal.

and

Some people of color may view whites prejudicially; no wonder, given the interactions of racism in society. Anyone can believe in stereotypes or hold ideas about members of other groups that are not entirely accurate.

However, being, and behaving, prejudicially isn’t the same thing as racism, especially when such prejudice punches up, not down. As Justin Simien of Dear White People puts it, “Prejudice and racism are different. A joke about white people dancing has no impact on the lives of average white people, whereas jokes about black people and reinforcing stereotypes about black people do have an impact on the lives of everyday black people.”

So once again, discrimination and racism, while closely related, are not the same thing. Reverse racism is a myth. You cannot have such a thing as "reverse racism" when it is whites who occupy positions of both privilege and power.

Also, I can easily provide other links that are more "consistent" than the Wiki article (but essentially say the same thing) if you guys truly want to go there. I know exactly what you guys are trying to do, but I see through it.
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So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-05-2017, 09:17 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-05-2017, 10:31 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Occhidiangela - 01-21-2017, 03:26 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-06-2017, 03:38 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-06-2017, 06:22 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-06-2017, 08:57 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-06-2017, 09:28 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Taem - 01-07-2017, 01:05 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-07-2017, 07:23 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by LennyLen - 01-07-2017, 09:47 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-07-2017, 11:04 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by EspyLacopa - 01-08-2017, 12:51 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 01:13 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 02:40 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 01:06 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 02:46 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 03:01 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 03:16 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 04:37 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 05:18 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 03:44 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by EspyLacopa - 01-08-2017, 04:48 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 06:40 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-10-2017, 12:52 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-10-2017, 06:25 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-10-2017, 09:30 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-11-2017, 11:48 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-12-2017, 05:25 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-12-2017, 06:32 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-12-2017, 07:04 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-13-2017, 02:53 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-13-2017, 04:26 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-13-2017, 09:02 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-13-2017, 09:53 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-13-2017, 10:10 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-13-2017, 10:01 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-12-2017, 09:16 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-13-2017, 05:27 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-13-2017, 06:34 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-13-2017, 06:44 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-13-2017, 06:50 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-13-2017, 09:04 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-13-2017, 09:15 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Taem - 01-14-2017, 09:35 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-15-2017, 04:48 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-15-2017, 12:41 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-15-2017, 06:28 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Taem - 01-18-2017, 07:45 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-18-2017, 10:39 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-18-2017, 11:15 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-18-2017, 11:48 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-20-2017, 01:45 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-20-2017, 03:39 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-20-2017, 04:00 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-24-2017, 12:01 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-24-2017, 08:30 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-24-2017, 08:39 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by eppie - 01-25-2017, 07:57 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-25-2017, 05:39 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Taem - 01-25-2017, 08:58 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-25-2017, 09:55 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-26-2017, 03:37 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Bolty - 01-26-2017, 05:10 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-26-2017, 05:41 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-26-2017, 10:10 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-27-2017, 05:07 PM

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