So not a hate crime?
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(01-08-2017, 04:37 AM)kandrathe Wrote: Here is the problem with your logic... You are conflating an individual with an institution. People are not institutions. Can institutional racism and individual racism exist ? Yes, of course. Black people in the US are not responsible for institutional racism, but they can be responsible for their own individual racism.

It reminds me of the old logic fallacy...

God is love, love is blind, Ray Charles is blind, therefore Ray Charles is God.

LOL, Kandrathe. I am actually distinguishing between institutions and individuals, not conflating them Smile

Saying blacks are responsible for their own "individual racism" doesn't make any more sense than saying women are responsible for not getting raped/sexually harassed by men. You could make the argument for individual prejudice maybe, but even that would be difficult since....

Personal prejudice by some blacks against white people probably wouldn't exist if we didn't have systemic racism IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Look, I'm not saying that individual prejudice is a good thing, but again, we have to look at it in historical context. Blacks often negative views of white people, is by and large, not surprising given the historical relations between the two and the systematic power that whites have had over blacks since the beginning of colonialism to this very moment. Most of the prejudice by blacks towards whites, as the article I linked earlier explains, punches upward against white supremacy. When you systematically oppress people, they are inevitably, at some point, going to fight back.

If a black person makes fun of or discriminates against a white person, it does nothing to change the economic and social power and status that whites enjoy over blacks/poc. If a white person does it to a black person however, this reinforces stereotypes and misconceptions about black people in general and therefore reinforces the oppressive conditions which they live under. Consequently, this also reinforces white power and privilege. That is the key difference to understanding why whites can be racist toward blacks, but also why the reverse is not possible - blacks do not and cannot occupy any system of power or privilege over whites; regardless of how much individual prejudice they may have or express toward whites. Racism is functionally institutional, prejudice is individual - they are two different things.

Reverse racism is not only a myth, but accusing minorities of it is in itself very arguably racist; since the goal of doing so is to protect white power and privilege, or is at least, the resulting unintended consequence. Bottomline: whites are not racially oppressed (despite how much they like to think they are), black people and other PoC, are. White people, in general, need to wake the fuck up from their bullshit self-pity and start looking at reality - and this is coming from a white person!
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So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-05-2017, 09:17 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-05-2017, 10:31 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Occhidiangela - 01-21-2017, 03:26 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-06-2017, 03:38 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-06-2017, 06:22 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-06-2017, 08:57 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-06-2017, 09:28 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Taem - 01-07-2017, 01:05 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-07-2017, 07:23 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by LennyLen - 01-07-2017, 09:47 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-07-2017, 11:04 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by EspyLacopa - 01-08-2017, 12:51 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 01:13 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 02:40 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 01:06 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 02:46 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 03:01 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 03:16 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 04:37 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 05:18 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-08-2017, 03:44 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by EspyLacopa - 01-08-2017, 04:48 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-08-2017, 06:40 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-10-2017, 12:52 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-10-2017, 06:25 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-10-2017, 09:30 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-11-2017, 11:48 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-12-2017, 05:25 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-12-2017, 06:32 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-12-2017, 07:04 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-13-2017, 02:53 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-13-2017, 04:26 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-13-2017, 09:02 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-13-2017, 09:53 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-13-2017, 10:10 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-13-2017, 10:01 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-12-2017, 09:16 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-13-2017, 05:27 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-13-2017, 06:34 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-13-2017, 06:44 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-13-2017, 06:50 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-13-2017, 09:04 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-13-2017, 09:15 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Taem - 01-14-2017, 09:35 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-15-2017, 04:48 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-15-2017, 12:41 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-15-2017, 06:28 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Taem - 01-18-2017, 07:45 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-18-2017, 10:39 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-18-2017, 11:15 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-18-2017, 11:48 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-20-2017, 01:45 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Archon_Wing - 01-20-2017, 03:39 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-20-2017, 04:00 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-24-2017, 12:01 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-24-2017, 08:30 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-24-2017, 08:39 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by eppie - 01-25-2017, 07:57 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-25-2017, 05:39 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Taem - 01-25-2017, 08:58 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-25-2017, 09:55 PM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-26-2017, 03:37 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Bolty - 01-26-2017, 05:10 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by FireIceTalon - 01-26-2017, 05:41 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by kandrathe - 01-26-2017, 10:10 AM
RE: So not a hate crime? - by Ashock - 01-27-2017, 05:07 PM

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