So not a hate crime?

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reports that they are not a peaceful kind

Which isn't a bad thing, necessarily. Since the police officers who harass, assault, profile, and murder unarmed and innocent poc EVERY day are far from being peaceful. When you oppress people, they are going to rise up against you at some point, often violently so, and in such a case, its justifiable. BLM is hardly revolutionary at this time, and from my perspective, I think they need to radicalize further than they are currently. But I digress.

that is a white person can still suffer from the effects of of the establishment too; it's not a zero sum game.

They do, but not to nearly the same extent or context that blacks and other poc do. Statistics across the board reflect this - from unemployment, income, to education, access to healthcare, life expectancy, poverty and homelessness, percentage of people incarcerated, everything really.

Simply being white means you start with a considerable social advantage from the day you are born, and it makes your every day life much easier than being a black person in the same class does, regardless of how poor little privileged white people like Ashock and Taem choose to see it.

And practically everyone here has a thing against the pitifulness of the so-called "Identity Politics"

This is one (of several) reasons why I ultimately chose Marxism as my political framework, is because of what IP has become. Let me explain.

You see, I think its the opposite, really. Many people here, and in general, focus way too much on "identity politics" and pay little or no attention to class politics - and when they do look at class, its usually only by income and not by ownership of the instruments of production due to its radical implications. Identity politics isn't ENTIRELY worthless - poc suffer more in the present system than whites do, men have unjust privilege and power over women, straights over LGBTQ persons, ableds over disabeleds, etc. Alot of IP stems from various feminist movements, the civil rights movements and BLM, the LGBTQ liberation movement, and so on.

The problem of starting with identity politics, is that it is a dead end, because it inevitably turns too far inward and focuses too much on the self. In the worst case scenario, it just becames another from of discrimination dressed up as 'Left wing' politics. Further, it has the natural consequence of downplaying or even ignoring entirely the larger issues of class, capitalism & imperialism, and revolution. This is one of the primary issues with liberal conceptions of IP.

On the otherhand, Marxists and other revolutionary leftist movements must becareful to avoid class reductionism, and undoubtedly certain sects of these groups have been guilty of this. Class does need to be our starting point - but it shouldn't be our only point; it has to allow for intersectionality. Feminists, minorities, LGBTQ, disabled persons, and other oppressed/marginalized groups should absolutely have an involvement, an important one at that, in any socialist/communist movement to emancipate society from the shackles of capitalism. Identity politics without socialism is useless and a slippery slope to being reactionary, or at best it doesn't lead to meaningful social change; and socialism without intersectionality is deterministic, vulgar economics.

Finally, identity politics has become something of a pejorative not only because of its over emphasis by liberals as I explained earlier in my post, but right-wingers are even worse when it comes to IP. For people like Ashock, Taem and similar reactionary minded persons, identity politics is of utmost importance - in particular, the identity of white, rich, straight, heterosexual males and the preservation of their dominant position in society. Everyone else that doesn't fit that bill be damned, and anyone else that wants the same rights and equality are guilty of 'reverse racism', 'reverse sexism', heterophobia, etc. Right wing identity politics is the most vulgar, obnoxious form of IP and a good reason why IP has become such a dirty word, or should I say term. For all the accusations they make towards leftists for playing the 'race' or 'gender' card, nobody plays those cards more than reactionaries when the privileged status of white males is questioned or challenged. Taem and Ashock have done it throughout this entire thread, that is what the right does, and they do it well. So, their shit-filled false narratives of 'reverse racism' or 'reverse sexism of how white males are supposedly oppressed in society are presented as legitimate public opinion (even when all the statistics and overwhelming evidence reflect the exact opposite).

Here's an idea: the achievement or striving for the achievement of equality and thus the abolition of white, male privilege does NOT equate to racism or sexism. White males can cry about it all they want. It still isn't racist or sexist to challenge the privileged status of white males. Not even close. Them crying about it, as they have done this entire thread, is in fact evidence of THEIR racist and sexist views.