Communism and the Left

[FireIceTalon]

If what you're alluding to is in fact true, then a society based on socialism would crumble, yet there are many socialist societies with hints of liberalism, some whom even align with a communist mentality.

No. Those are all capitalist countries with various types of governments and varying degrees of a welfare state. You still do not get it, and continue to display your ignorance on what capitalism and socialism are. "Socialism in one country" (aka Stalinism) does not and cannot work, and thus why Marxists of nearly all tendencies oppose it.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

You agree with it, but you are both wrong. People share with eachother with no problem all the time, and in fact, that is one of the earliest things we learn as children is to share. Ironically enough, it is when we are older that we are told sharing is no longer good and that its ok or even good to be selfish and just "get yours". But I would argue that communism isn't based on sharing, so much as it is on cooperative principles that exist through common ownership of the means of production. Sharing would just be a logical consequence of this imperative. Remember, material conditions, not ideas, are the driving force of the world. For any idea to have traction and legitimacy, the material conditions necessary for it must exist and be conducive for said idea. A good example of this is why slavery was abolished following the Civil War - it wasn't conducive to the needs of an industrialization of America. Yes, many people found slavery to be reprehensible and morally wrong, but that was a secondary reason, at best, for its abolishment compared to the North's vision of an industrialized USA.

I am 100% sure they don't say that because they want to kill a few million people. If however someone says he supports nazism he does want to get rid of the Jews....and probably also blacks, muslims etc.

Correct. It pretty much speaks to why this thread is pretty dumb in the first place. Some things need not be explained. It should be blatantly obvious why Nazism is almost universally despised nearly everywhere (except by Nazis or those with a similar ideology), and communism is not.

because people by nature are selfish

No, Eppie. We are actually cooperative by nature, but material conditions can distort and change our behavior and how we interact with one another. Contrary to what most capitalists or their apologists think, the capitalist system is not a reflection of "human nature" (if there was such a thing), but rather a betrayal and caricature of it. The reason is because there is no set, innate human nature, other than a few biological imperatives as I mentioned in the BLM thread. Material conditions determine our social being. If you put humans in a cooperative, rational society, they are going to work with each other to make society go. If you put them in a competitive chaotic society like capitalism, they are going to compete and fight over resources. But even under capitalism, most people generally still at least try to cooperate rather than compete with one another (capitalists are the opposite, as they have NO CHOICE but to compete against one another, and why they need a central state to protect their long-term collective interests even if their short-term interests conflict). Its why we have millions of people who still get up every day to serve us our food, take our trash away, and just in general, try to make society the best it can be, capitalist social-relations not withstanding. Most of them certainly ain't doing it for the money, that much is for sure. The existence of charities in itself practically disproves the notion that people are inherently selfish, though charities themselves wouldn't be necessary if we had a system that actually provided everything people need to survive instead of one that only seeks more profit.