On assaulting Nurses and Pro Football players.
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(10-09-2017, 05:02 AM)kandrathe Wrote: I’ve heard it was horrendously performed with nearly zero chance for integrity. Imagine if all the separatist Texans held an election, on their personal laptops with no verification of who voted, or how many times. Then, the bulk of the opposition was told by the US government not to participate in the illegal election, so hardly any opposition votes even showed up. One sided non-victory for propaganda value. On the other hand I can understand Catalonia’s anger at being promised autonomy, then having it’s autonomy overruled by Spanish courts.

Here's an idea. Perhaps, in 1776, France (and Spain, ironically), who backed US independence and helped lead the American Revolution to victory, should have instead declared support for ‘George III’s British Parliament’s constitutional measures to keep the Crown’s empire 'united’ and have allowed Washington, Jefferson, Hancock, et al., to have been thrown in prison for thirty years for daring to split...Rolleyes

Point being, the US is so hypocritical its absurd. For non-aligned nations, be they in Eastern Europe, Asia, the Middle East, or Africa, partition or independence movements are consistently applauded and hailed at the work of so called 'freedom fighters'; but when it comes to allied nations it is almost widely condemned. Surprise surprise. Everything from their 'one Iraq policy', East Timor, Scotland and now Catalina. Of course, they absolutely had no problem splitting the former Soviet Union up into a dozen or so separate nations, and many American political ideologues on both the right and left aspire to split up Syria, N. Korea, Iran, Cuba and ultimately the Russian Federation to varying extents as well. The US does NOT care about the independence of certain nations and its peoples - it cares about its own imperialist interests and will only support independence of a nation if its in their or their allies interests.

Just thought I would point that out for those here who are anti-independence for Catalina. My personal opinion of Catalonian independence is complex and a bit conflicted. Some comrades have brought up the interesting point that this movement has a bourgeois character to it, as Catalonia is the wealthiest part of Spain and does not want its sources redistributed (at least to the degree they currently are); and that socialism is not ultimately on the table for an independent Catalonia. On the other hand, who the hell am I to say Catalonians do not deserve their independence?
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RE: On assaulting Nurses and Pro Football players. - by FireIceTalon - 10-29-2017, 04:05 PM

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