01-09-2018, 07:20 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2018, 11:34 PM by FireIceTalon.)
I've been in "political discussion retirement" here this season so far, but I couldn't help but chuckle at the above post. Lolbertarians (lack of) understanding of economics (especially the capitalist system that they propose to be the be all end all system that is superior to any conceivable alternative without even the slightest critical thought) never ceases to amaze me.
Firstly, the term "free market" is an oxymoron. There is no such thing a "free market", and it should be pretty obvious as to why. But I digress. What is more fundamental and relevant to the point here, is that the "free market" does not and CANNOT find solutions to problems - because firstly, it is inanimate; it cannot consciously observe a problem and find a solution - anymore than a gun can load itself and go on a killing spree w/o a human operating it. Secondly, the "free market" is in fact a set of social relationships and interactions - it therefore has an internal logic that it must follow, and that internal logic is NOT to find solutions to problems, but to accumulate profit. The "free market" in fact, is far better at creating problems than it is solving them.
Because for you, sticking to your hardline ideology trumps all else, even if real world material conditions in fact show your analysis to be short sighted if not entirely incorrect/infeasible. Not to mention, this line of thinking is displaying the typical selfishness and political narcissism of libertarians and right-wing thought in general. Me? I want a free and open internet, I don't really care how constitutional or not the grounds on which net neutrality was put into place was/n't, anymore than how constitutional having electricity and clean water is. These things are all human rights, which trump constitutionality all day; or at least they should.
This is a tautology. Rule of law and order is just a nicer, fancier way of saying "by the whim of bureaucrats". See quote in my sig.
Reactionary romanticism that has no meaning in any serious political discussion, the old "things were so much better back then". Slavery of another human being was also perfectly legal in this country about 150 years ago. As much as things suck now, I don't think any semi-rational human being would think things were better 150 yrs ago.
Firstly, the term "free market" is an oxymoron. There is no such thing a "free market", and it should be pretty obvious as to why. But I digress. What is more fundamental and relevant to the point here, is that the "free market" does not and CANNOT find solutions to problems - because firstly, it is inanimate; it cannot consciously observe a problem and find a solution - anymore than a gun can load itself and go on a killing spree w/o a human operating it. Secondly, the "free market" is in fact a set of social relationships and interactions - it therefore has an internal logic that it must follow, and that internal logic is NOT to find solutions to problems, but to accumulate profit. The "free market" in fact, is far better at creating problems than it is solving them.
Quote:I would rather have no internet at all
Because for you, sticking to your hardline ideology trumps all else, even if real world material conditions in fact show your analysis to be short sighted if not entirely incorrect/infeasible. Not to mention, this line of thinking is displaying the typical selfishness and political narcissism of libertarians and right-wing thought in general. Me? I want a free and open internet, I don't really care how constitutional or not the grounds on which net neutrality was put into place was/n't, anymore than how constitutional having electricity and clean water is. These things are all human rights, which trump constitutionality all day; or at least they should.
Quote:than live in a country that rules not by law or order, but by the whim of bureaucrats.
This is a tautology. Rule of law and order is just a nicer, fancier way of saying "by the whim of bureaucrats". See quote in my sig.
Quote:150 years ago people would have found it abhorrent to allow the federal government to meddle with telecommunications as they do now.
Reactionary romanticism that has no meaning in any serious political discussion, the old "things were so much better back then". Slavery of another human being was also perfectly legal in this country about 150 years ago. As much as things suck now, I don't think any semi-rational human being would think things were better 150 yrs ago.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)