Imigration in America
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You're not going to create a system with zero problems, zero abuse, no cases of fraud, and so on. That's simply not possible. As I said earlier, the question is about weighing the costs and benefits.

Quote:Try to find a State certified teacher who speaks Swahili, Thai, Chinese, Spanish, Hmong, and Russian just to name a few...
Is this really that hard? There are tens of millions of Spanish speakers in the US, and I'm sure at least a few million speakers of Cantonese or Mandarin. Russian and Thai are also fairly common. Hmong and Swahili are probably a little tougher, but I can't imagine the collective costs to states of tracking down these teachers is more than a drop in the ocean relative to total educational costs - peanuts measured against the benefits of open migration.

Quote:It's not a straw-man if I understand you correctly.
That would be a tautology. But no, you didn't understand me correctly. I am not talking about a complete abolition of all immigration regulation, and I haven't said that. What I said in post one was: "Enact generous, low-restriction guest-worker programs, and clear routes to citizenship." This is obviously not the same thing as anarchy. Consider my position here analogous to my position on the drug war. I advocate thinking of the issue not as a problem to solve but an aspect of society to be regulated in a way that supports maximum liberty with sensible, minimally interfering regulation.

Quote:So, then you and I are in essence in favor of the same thing... regulated immigration, no social welfare for non-citizens, and less restricted by national quotas.
If by "less restricted" you mean "not restricted", and "no social welfare for non-citizens" you mean having blocks of several years for various welfare services become accessible, rather than a total ban on all social welfare services for non-citizens, then yes, we are in favour of the same thing.

-Jester
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Imigration in America - by Taem - 05-04-2010, 10:15 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-04-2010, 10:34 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-04-2010, 11:45 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Occhidiangela - 05-05-2010, 12:42 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-05-2010, 02:54 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Occhidiangela - 05-06-2010, 03:21 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-06-2010, 03:50 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-06-2010, 06:14 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-06-2010, 03:46 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-07-2010, 01:17 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-07-2010, 03:35 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-07-2010, 06:20 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-07-2010, 06:38 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-07-2010, 07:12 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Delc - 05-07-2010, 06:43 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-07-2010, 07:02 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-08-2010, 01:24 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-08-2010, 12:15 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-08-2010, 05:07 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-08-2010, 06:53 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-08-2010, 07:34 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Vandiablo - 05-09-2010, 03:11 AM
"I'm a descendant of . . . " - by --Pete - 05-09-2010, 03:30 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-06-2010, 04:00 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Taem - 05-06-2010, 04:17 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-06-2010, 04:41 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Taem - 05-06-2010, 04:56 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-06-2010, 05:03 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by LavCat - 05-06-2010, 08:23 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-06-2010, 08:44 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Ashock - 05-06-2010, 09:32 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-06-2010, 09:53 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-06-2010, 09:55 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by LavCat - 05-06-2010, 10:01 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-07-2010, 02:06 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by LavCat - 05-07-2010, 03:38 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by eppie - 05-07-2010, 10:10 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-07-2010, 01:04 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-07-2010, 01:22 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-07-2010, 02:28 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by LavCat - 05-07-2010, 03:50 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-07-2010, 03:53 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-07-2010, 01:20 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-07-2010, 01:33 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-06-2010, 03:26 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-05-2010, 01:45 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by eppie - 05-05-2010, 05:38 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-05-2010, 03:41 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Delc - 05-05-2010, 04:02 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-05-2010, 04:12 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-05-2010, 04:29 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-05-2010, 04:53 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-05-2010, 05:19 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-05-2010, 06:57 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-05-2010, 07:51 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-05-2010, 08:12 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-05-2010, 08:23 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-05-2010, 10:23 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-05-2010, 10:28 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-05-2010, 11:16 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-05-2010, 11:24 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-05-2010, 11:39 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Taem - 05-06-2010, 12:26 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-06-2010, 12:56 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-06-2010, 01:38 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-06-2010, 02:07 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-06-2010, 02:26 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-06-2010, 02:30 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by --Pete - 05-06-2010, 03:26 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Vandiablo - 05-09-2010, 04:59 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-09-2010, 04:37 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by eppie - 05-05-2010, 06:16 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-05-2010, 07:14 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Taem - 05-06-2010, 12:05 AM
RE: Imigration in America - by Lissa - 05-05-2010, 04:25 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Chesspiece_face - 05-05-2010, 09:41 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by NuurAbSaal - 05-05-2010, 09:49 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Jester - 05-05-2010, 09:52 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by kandrathe - 05-05-2010, 09:55 PM
RE: Imigration in America - by Taem - 05-06-2010, 12:39 AM

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