03-25-2017, 04:59 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-25-2017, 05:44 PM by FireIceTalon.)
Right-wing nuts like Ashock can't (or more likely don't want to) understand that gender is a social construct, and that GENDER and SEX are two different things. Just because I am born with a penis doesn't mean I identify as a male (in my case, I do identify as male, but that is beside the point here). Gender identity, like it or not, is not and never will be biological - it is a set of social relations, common (but usually false) narratives, and wacky if not entirely outrageous perceptions on the roles of male, female or other genders that comprise bourgeois heteronormativity & sexuality; and is a huge culprit in reinforcing both "implied" sexism and homophobia. The bourgeois conception of gender (and sex for that matter) is, generally speaking, archaic, convoluted and inconsistent, and overall just illogical. Or, to put it nicely in shorter terms, a load of bullshit.
Also, comparing this to a car brand to try and make a (weak) point makes absolutely no sense, because cars aren't living things that can have self determination or think consciously about their social existence - humans however, can. A Buick can't decide that it's going to be a Lexus or a BMW. But a human being can consciously decide, regardless of their genitalia, if they are male, female or another gender altogether. So the car "argument" doesn't work.
Sex on the otherhand, is indeed biological. But gender is NOT, and that is what we are discussing here even though Ashock incorrectly conflates the two.
Also, comparing this to a car brand to try and make a (weak) point makes absolutely no sense, because cars aren't living things that can have self determination or think consciously about their social existence - humans however, can. A Buick can't decide that it's going to be a Lexus or a BMW. But a human being can consciously decide, regardless of their genitalia, if they are male, female or another gender altogether. So the car "argument" doesn't work.
Sex on the otherhand, is indeed biological. But gender is NOT, and that is what we are discussing here even though Ashock incorrectly conflates the two.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)