An Interesting Take on BLM
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(07-07-2017, 07:23 PM)Taem Wrote: Isn't that what I'm advocating by embracing a change in cultural identity, by urging leaders to rise up and change the mentality of this subculture, by encouraging young girls to value themselves to go to college and young men to take responsibility for their babies? Again, your approach is to focus on the past and not the present. As I said in my last post, look at what has worked in other subcultures... and what hasn't. Giving too much to the poor makes then dependent. Not addressing a cultural identity when its the root cause of the problem does not solve anything. You can solve poverty and still not fix this issue because that is not 100% the problem! You keep trying to blame the issues befalling POC on systemic racism throughout the nation coming from the justice system itself, on poverty, on the past and segregation, on anything except the true issue here of their cultural identity.

I think at this point, we are talking in circles and regurgitating old materials in different ways. Obviously neither of us can change the others mind so unless I hear something new, I suppose this as good a time as any to agree to disagree and leave it at that. Up to you.
No, not circles. I'm not denying the "be good and good things happen " but... there are so many ways to slide off that slippery, steep, and narrow path. I'm just saying... "Why is that path so damned steep, so damned slippery, and so damned narrow?" It doesn't have to be. It's that way because THE MAJORITY CULTURE doesn't mind that life is hard at the bottom. I know it looks like a ladder, but there are no damned rungs on the lower third. As for history, do you think anything is different now than in 1960?

The unfinished march

In that the majority culture accepts the status quo, which we agree is not the way we'd like it, in the face of such abysmal statistics, I'd have to also point at what must be the incremental sum of passive, complacent racism in education, in employment, in wealth opportunities, and in criminal justice.

Now... it's obvious you didn't read those two last links I posted. Go read them, and we can talk more. And, really take them to heart. The one that I ruminated on hard is "Individualism". I truly do think with enough luck, and determination you can pull yourself up by your boot straps. But, in the context of this discussion I must also recognize that this works for me as a white male, but it might not work for others the same way.

The area I live in has been very welcoming of refugees and immigrants since the beginning. I see that in many cases, sub-culture unity is crucial in propelling everyone in that subculture upwards.

Back, to rap. Don't you see that this art form was their creation, and a hopeful, not criminal way to escape poverty. One way that majority culture deals with counter culture is to subsume it, then consume it and crap it out as popular culture. Like so many whites, including Elvis, justify cultural theft as flattery. Get real. Its about the money.



Absolutely cringeworthy.
”There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio.

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An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 06-25-2017, 03:41 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-25-2017, 05:14 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 06-26-2017, 07:49 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-26-2017, 01:34 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-25-2017, 07:49 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-25-2017, 08:00 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by eppie - 06-26-2017, 07:00 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-25-2017, 08:17 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Archon_Wing - 06-26-2017, 12:27 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 06-26-2017, 07:37 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Archon_Wing - 06-26-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-26-2017, 09:54 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-02-2017, 11:01 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-26-2017, 01:00 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-30-2017, 08:53 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-30-2017, 11:15 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-30-2017, 11:30 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 12:12 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-01-2017, 12:19 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 02:43 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-01-2017, 03:48 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 04:39 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-02-2017, 05:08 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 02:36 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-03-2017, 06:35 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 08:30 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-03-2017, 08:41 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 08:52 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-03-2017, 09:09 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 09:37 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 02:50 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-03-2017, 07:40 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-03-2017, 08:01 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-03-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 03:50 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-03-2017, 09:02 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-05-2017, 03:28 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-06-2017, 10:28 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-06-2017, 11:31 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-07-2017, 11:33 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-07-2017, 06:27 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-08-2017, 04:44 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-07-2017, 07:23 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-07-2017, 07:55 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-07-2017, 08:17 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-07-2017, 08:21 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-08-2017, 04:10 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-08-2017, 04:24 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-08-2017, 09:43 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-09-2017, 01:42 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-11-2017, 05:20 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-11-2017, 08:30 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Bolty - 07-12-2017, 04:34 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-12-2017, 05:48 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-13-2017, 04:35 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-13-2017, 02:58 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-13-2017, 07:01 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-13-2017, 09:11 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Tal - 07-13-2017, 08:10 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-03-2017, 03:53 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-03-2017, 10:23 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-04-2017, 10:32 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-05-2017, 04:14 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-06-2017, 04:28 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by LavCat - 07-06-2017, 05:03 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-06-2017, 12:54 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Jester - 07-06-2017, 02:55 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-07-2017, 02:58 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by LavCat - 07-07-2017, 05:20 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-07-2017, 05:51 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-09-2017, 12:21 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-12-2017, 06:43 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-13-2017, 11:31 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-14-2017, 03:10 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-24-2017, 08:30 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-25-2017, 01:39 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-25-2017, 04:00 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-26-2017, 03:06 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-26-2017, 04:27 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-26-2017, 04:34 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-24-2017, 06:22 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-24-2017, 08:19 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-25-2017, 03:43 AM
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