An Interesting Take on BLM
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(07-08-2017, 04:10 AM)kandrathe Wrote: Now... it's obvious you didn't read those two last links I posted. Go read them, and we can talk more.

That is because I don't particularly like being led by the nose. I've made every attempt to address your points in your other posts but I noticed the favor has not been returned. You dance and prose with a purpose... which makes me question rather my message is really getting through at all. The blind leading the blind?

In regards specifically to Robin DiAngelo, I will admit to finding his articles eloquently put and intellectual to be sure. He does hit some very sound notes about white guilt, but fails utterly to address how POC can overcome this. Tell me, I grew up in Santa Barbara where, according to census studies, there are 75% whites, and 32% Hispanic descent, so how is it most of the hundreds of Hispanic families I'm friends with here are very successful and have no cultural troubles fitting in? I'm sure this is also not just anecdotal but something I can prove with statistics if I bother to search, however I wanted to first point out that I now live in Oxnard California where whites are the minority and Hispanics the majority and neither whites or Hispanics in Oxnard suffer from this supposed racism Robin DiAngelo claims to be pervading the unconscious minds of minorities that tells them they are less than a given race simply due to either their color or due to being surrounded by whity. Give me a break - white guilt at it's finest no doubt! Was that article written only for black people? And if so, my argument only becomes more urgent regarding cultural identity. I personally know many, many Hispanic families that came from NOTHING without a dollar in their pockets, here illegally with the entire system against them and they have not only succeeded in life, but excelled, owning mansions in Mexico. I can prove this as fact!!! And it's not just one or two families, but many, many families. Aren't Hispanics considered POC also kandrathe? What sets them aside specifically from other POC is their cultural identity of close family ties, of personal bonds, of helping one another. How can you not see this?

(07-08-2017, 04:10 AM)kandrathe Wrote: Back, to rap. Don't you see that this art form was their creation, and a hopeful, not criminal way to escape poverty. One way that majority culture deals with counter culture is to subsume it, then consume it and crap it out as popular culture. Like so many whites, including Elvis, justify cultural theft as flattery. Get real. Its about the money.

My point about the arts had to do with expressionism of the culture. Try reading some of Tupac Shakur's poetry, pretty deep stuff that exposes a social divide within their own culture/community. What is happening in a community can be understood by examining their arts, but I'm sure you already know this from the cultural arts classes you've undoubtedly taken. Rap is just a form of music... it's what the story is saying that is most telling, and when a great number of people from the same subculture say the same things in music, literature, personal documentaries, etc, then I'm quite certain they have something to express about their culture. Are you listening?

Edit: I apologize ahead of time for the brash tone... It's unbearably hot in the office today and I feel short on patience, but that is no excuse for being rude, and if I came across as such, I do apologize. I'll reread what I wrote when I get home. One final note, you mentioned to me a few posts back on how I singled out the one judge who disagreed with the report on systematic racism and I never gave you a proper answer why, but it's because I felt the writers came into their project with much biasm and were trying to make a point that fit their narrative instead of looking at all facts empirically and without judgment. I'd be interested to hear a similar report done by a completely unbiased party if there could possibly be such a thing. Anyway, switched from office PC to smart phone and hate typing on this thing so, until next time.
"The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self." -Albert Einsetin
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An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 06-25-2017, 03:41 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-25-2017, 05:14 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 06-26-2017, 07:49 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-26-2017, 01:34 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-25-2017, 07:49 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-25-2017, 08:00 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by eppie - 06-26-2017, 07:00 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-25-2017, 08:17 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Archon_Wing - 06-26-2017, 12:27 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 06-26-2017, 07:37 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Archon_Wing - 06-26-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-26-2017, 09:54 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-02-2017, 11:01 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-26-2017, 01:00 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-30-2017, 08:53 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-30-2017, 11:15 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-30-2017, 11:30 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 12:12 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-01-2017, 12:19 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 02:43 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-01-2017, 03:48 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 04:39 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-02-2017, 05:08 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 02:36 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 08:30 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 08:52 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 09:37 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-03-2017, 09:02 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-07-2017, 11:33 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-07-2017, 06:27 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-08-2017, 04:44 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-07-2017, 07:23 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-07-2017, 08:17 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-08-2017, 04:10 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-08-2017, 09:43 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-09-2017, 01:42 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-11-2017, 05:20 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-12-2017, 05:48 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-13-2017, 04:35 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-25-2017, 01:39 AM
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