Talk about obnoxious...

[--Pete]

Hi,

Using Jester's framework -- the requirement to go back an arbitrary number of centuries to get "the true name" of the land . . .
Occhi
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Perhaps we should all move back to the Olduvai Gorge since that seems to be our point of origin ;)

Arguments based on who was where when (e.g., Israel) don't much impress me. I'm reminded of a dialog from a book I read as a teen:

"Whose land is this?"
"Mine."
"How did you get it?"
"From my father."
"How did he get it?"
"From his father."
"And how did your grandfather get it?"
"He fought for it."
"Fine. I'll fight you for it."

Pretty much every piece of land that is populated is populated by a mixture of people that were there 'originally' (i.e., before the latest batch of conquerors) and the people who moved in by force and then took over, renaming the land, changing the language, establishing new customs, and even persecuting those who cling to the old. Those that can't accept that are ignoring the past and will thus be condemned to make the same stupid mistakes their forbearers did.

-Pete

EDIT: Changed 'i.e.' to 'e.g.' since Israel is by no means the only case.