09-17-2006, 07:38 PM
Quote:In their world, if you are a Christian or a Jew you have the option of living as an equal if you convert, or as a slave (Dhimmi) if you refuse to convert but pay a heavy tax, otherwise if you are a Pagan unbeliever you can (or some interpret should) be slaughtered as an animal. When you try to disagree with that philosophy they will ignore you as a demon inspired mongrel dog. In their teachings / beliefs, Islam is the height of civilization. So, how *messed up* is it that you are saying the Pope is crazy, while not saying anything about the Islamic clerics who are calling for the pope's death? You think he should grovel before the islamacists and apologize for saying that "violence is inconsistent with God"? With this view eppie, you will be one of those with a gun to your head, and a boot on your neck professing the blessing of Allah.
But what do you expect me to say about this islamacists? We just had the discussion aboput atheism, you now I have little to no respect for decissions made based on religion in general, especially when they concern violence. But what sense does it make that we here on the lounge just say are things about how stupid and uneducated and bad those people are.....last time I checked there are no islamic fundamentalists on the lounge.
Quote:Population and poverty are a part of the problem in some areas, however these are also issues in Latin America and Africa. Those nations which have been islamicized are markedly more violent. "At the end of 2003 the world's Catholic population was 1.086 billion, of 17.23 percent of the entire world population, Fides reports. The largest gains in Catholic population appeared in Africa and Latin America. -- CWNews.com"
In afrika the bloodiest conflicts were non ilslamic in nature (rwanda, Ivory coast, liberia), but that is not the point. But you show exactly how this religion/violence thinsg work. South americans don't have any religious reason to rebel against the western rich countries.....let us say the spanish have done a good job converting them all to catholicism using the sword.....is that what you mean?? Same as we did in africa by the way.
Muslim religion is theoretically not more or less violent then catholic religion....only at this moment all the morons are followers of muhamed coincedentely.
And as (you know me) I'am always trying to look for a solution instead of just saying how bad somebody is, I think ridiculing these peoples faith (I don't mean the pope by the way) is not going to work. At a certain point the people in those countries will realize that they are economically and socialy committing suicide with there special regulations based on religions....but even then the religion will remain. When 400 to 500 years ago science showed us the way to an advanced society religion just silently followed....knowing that in bad times they would get support again.:D
By the way...invading a country and causing the deaths of 1000ands of people does not help to put 'the west' in a positive picture.
Quote:However we also see that even someone as well off as OBL will turn to violence in the name of faith. There are somewhere between 1 and 1.5 BILLION Muslims living around the globe, so if there is an armed struggle it will be bad. I would also believe it might include the indirect support of certain "angry at the West, but non-Islamic" nations, like Venezuala, Cuba, or North Korea.
OBL is not a mulsim, he pretends to be to become powerful, just like GWB does with christianity, and also the pope with catholicism.
I have absolutely no reason to believe those countries would do such things....it is quite a bad thing to suggest even. I don't believe they have a strong history of invading countries...while they had no lack of enemies.