05-13-2005, 02:01 PM
Another repsonse to the sub thread in general.
Lots of people are pissed at each other now. I'm curious as to how small the guild will be when I log on.
My opinion is that like Hillary said, as long as we don't know what we are (we're not a guild, we are a guild, we're not a guild). We'll NEVER have enough people to do high end raid content, because there aren't enough people who can play alts or who can wait around for people like me even if they enjoy playing the game with each other. If we don't have the structure there things won't happen.
Quark is right that Bolty's 60 is part of the problem as well. When you get a fun small group together people like me are more likely to play. Without Sabra and Ruvunal Gnolack wouldn't be as big and my alts on Terenas woud be bigger right now most likely. So the Terenas people would be happier and the Stormrage people would be less happy.
Everyone is selfish at level. Selfishness will get over ridden for "the greater good" if there is a goal to reach for. We don't have any goals but personal ones right now. So yeah, people can "take the easy way out".
See while I'm as much of the "problem" as the people who left are and the people who don't play thier 60's, I'm lucky in that it doesn't matter if the guild exists or not. I'll still have fun because of how I get my fun from the game. The best thing I could do for the guild would be to get Gnolack to 60, or to have gotten him to 60 a month ago. Having a another tank up there would have helped people out a lot. So really Bolty and the other waiters should be as mad as me as they are at the people who are leaving.
But in the end if we want stuff like this to stop if we don't want to see this drama like we had months ago, we need to figure out who we are because not everyone is like me (and that is a very good thing). If we decide we are more like me then the 60's who want to raid should leave because that is the only way they are going to be able to. If we decide we are going to be a raiding group at some point that needs to be clear so that the 60's who want to raid now can know what to do and you can get people like Sabra to 60 sooner to help you out. I touched on it in my information thread stuff. I don't think the vision for the site is going to work in our current implementation.
Lots of people are pissed at each other now. I'm curious as to how small the guild will be when I log on.
My opinion is that like Hillary said, as long as we don't know what we are (we're not a guild, we are a guild, we're not a guild). We'll NEVER have enough people to do high end raid content, because there aren't enough people who can play alts or who can wait around for people like me even if they enjoy playing the game with each other. If we don't have the structure there things won't happen.
Quark is right that Bolty's 60 is part of the problem as well. When you get a fun small group together people like me are more likely to play. Without Sabra and Ruvunal Gnolack wouldn't be as big and my alts on Terenas woud be bigger right now most likely. So the Terenas people would be happier and the Stormrage people would be less happy.
Everyone is selfish at level. Selfishness will get over ridden for "the greater good" if there is a goal to reach for. We don't have any goals but personal ones right now. So yeah, people can "take the easy way out".
See while I'm as much of the "problem" as the people who left are and the people who don't play thier 60's, I'm lucky in that it doesn't matter if the guild exists or not. I'll still have fun because of how I get my fun from the game. The best thing I could do for the guild would be to get Gnolack to 60, or to have gotten him to 60 a month ago. Having a another tank up there would have helped people out a lot. So really Bolty and the other waiters should be as mad as me as they are at the people who are leaving.
But in the end if we want stuff like this to stop if we don't want to see this drama like we had months ago, we need to figure out who we are because not everyone is like me (and that is a very good thing). If we decide we are more like me then the 60's who want to raid should leave because that is the only way they are going to be able to. If we decide we are going to be a raiding group at some point that needs to be clear so that the 60's who want to raid now can know what to do and you can get people like Sabra to 60 sooner to help you out. I touched on it in my information thread stuff. I don't think the vision for the site is going to work in our current implementation.
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.
It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.