05-13-2005, 04:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-13-2005, 04:40 PM by NotSoDarklord.)
"There is no requirement that one must join a guild to raid with them. You might say that "it's easier" to do this, and that's true, so by all means go the easy route! Screw that guild that you had played in on your way up - now that you're established, you don't need them anymore!"
First of all this is not true, if I could stay lurkers and raid with IA I would, but it simply cannot be done, the only reason I did it for a few days is because I was already an app.
"It's especially damning when one says that their level 60 is going to join another guild, but their alts will remain Lurkers. That's even more bloody offensive than if you just quit all your characters, which is what I'D prefer. Sure, the Lurkers are good enough for your non-60's, but not for your "real" characters. My response: go do you-know-what with yourself, because I'm not playing with you anymore."
I'm amazed at how turning hostile suddenely makes the situation better. I personally am not in this boat because I only had one serious character, but the thought that I would do best to not start an alt and play with more lurkers just floors me. *shrug* I always felt it was more the happy family mentality, "so sorry to see you go, stop by and see us sometime"
"Our guild is on the brink of serious regular raiding. We've had learning-experience trips to Molten Core and we have a GIGANTIC guild on the same server that we have a ridiculously friendly relationship with, the Basin. All it takes is one person to organize it and take the time, and some regular weekly action could be taking place. Just ONE person to extend the olive branch to the Basin crowd and get things going! So instead of being part of the solution, you quit and run off somewhere else. Never mind the efforts of some Lurkers already to get raids going, working very hard to get things established like the MC run done recently. It's just easier to quit to somewhere else where this is established already instead of helping those you've been playing with for months to get it going here."
This is another issue, Bolty... you have expressed no real interest in raiding to any of us. Whenever we coordinate raids and ask you, you refuse, whenever one of us suggests "Why don't we ask bolty?" it invariably leads to chuckling at the thought that you'd come along. So what's the deal? You expect to come to MC with a group of lurkers without doing any raiding with us along the way? 'Fraid not, I wouldn't let that happen if I were staying, that is no way to forge the relationships and teamwork that is needed in MC. I've grouped nearly every active 60 in the guild on some raid or another, and it's helped me learn a lot about what I can expect from them and how they play, you however never did this. Perhaps you did it because you felt raiding 5 man instances with 10 is cheesy, perhaps you felt it was boring, but it's the best prep you can get to going into MC especially since 15 man groups in UBRS aren't exactly a cakewalk at times.
"There are so many 60's in this guild who've been waiting for more 60's to come up - and now that you've arrived, you're quitting? How do you think that makes some of them feel? My level 60 Priest is waiting for raid action - the only reason I missed the last one is because I was busy that day - and your leaving doesn't exact move that along."
I didn't get to 60 first, I can't change that. I did however get to 60, wait a month and a half to two months while raiding with all the 60's that even stuck their head in the channel getting my set as I in turn helped them get theirs. Sure you've waited longer, but then again you haven't done what we have, you haven't geared up with endless runs of endgame instances that just have become clinical and trivial. I could start an alt, but I frankly don't want to, I'll play my 15 bucks a month my way.
"What amazes me is how the people who leave expect that every member of Lurkers is just going to be completely okay with that, hugs and kisses, sad to see you go, etc. Well, I'm not. You're offended by what I'm saying? Tough. I'm just as offended that when you hit 60 you decide that our group isn't good enough for you. So be it. You can't please everyone in this world, and you're not pleasing me. I'm not just going to sit here and get crapped on by you, that's all. So let's all get in an uproar."
To be frank? You were one of the last people I was least concerned with pissing off again due to the fact that you have a 60, and yet have not tried whatsoever to help us organize or go on any of our near nightly raids. You can go into MC without gearing up, but that doesn't mean everyone can. If you sincerely want to take a bunch of rogues with 0 FR... a bunch of priests/mages with quest rewards on and virtually no mana pool then frankly you're doing it all wrong. In molten core you will learn to depend on tanks that are really better described as "beasts", these tanks HAVE to gear up whether or not you feel that raiding is easymode. Raiding scholo/strath/brs is something that everyone should be REQUIRED to do to gear up. If not for their items then for someone elses.
"Again, this is MY opinion and does not represent the stance of the guild. With any guild of appropriate size you will find differences of opinion, and it can be impossible to get along with everyone. Quitting a guild because you don't get along with every single member is a silly idea as well. What I'm saying is, don't expect me to be partying with you (or generally acknowledging you) any time soon. I will refrain from sniping people in guild chat in order to keep the peace from now on. I just got sick of the attitude of certain members yesterday and it came to a head."
People were being civil.... if you have a problem with me, griz, jon then don't type "/g "before you expresss it. I've had quite a few people talk to me via tells or teamspeak, and I've discussed it with them without having to do it publicly.
minor edit: missed a "least"
First of all this is not true, if I could stay lurkers and raid with IA I would, but it simply cannot be done, the only reason I did it for a few days is because I was already an app.
"It's especially damning when one says that their level 60 is going to join another guild, but their alts will remain Lurkers. That's even more bloody offensive than if you just quit all your characters, which is what I'D prefer. Sure, the Lurkers are good enough for your non-60's, but not for your "real" characters. My response: go do you-know-what with yourself, because I'm not playing with you anymore."
I'm amazed at how turning hostile suddenely makes the situation better. I personally am not in this boat because I only had one serious character, but the thought that I would do best to not start an alt and play with more lurkers just floors me. *shrug* I always felt it was more the happy family mentality, "so sorry to see you go, stop by and see us sometime"
"Our guild is on the brink of serious regular raiding. We've had learning-experience trips to Molten Core and we have a GIGANTIC guild on the same server that we have a ridiculously friendly relationship with, the Basin. All it takes is one person to organize it and take the time, and some regular weekly action could be taking place. Just ONE person to extend the olive branch to the Basin crowd and get things going! So instead of being part of the solution, you quit and run off somewhere else. Never mind the efforts of some Lurkers already to get raids going, working very hard to get things established like the MC run done recently. It's just easier to quit to somewhere else where this is established already instead of helping those you've been playing with for months to get it going here."
This is another issue, Bolty... you have expressed no real interest in raiding to any of us. Whenever we coordinate raids and ask you, you refuse, whenever one of us suggests "Why don't we ask bolty?" it invariably leads to chuckling at the thought that you'd come along. So what's the deal? You expect to come to MC with a group of lurkers without doing any raiding with us along the way? 'Fraid not, I wouldn't let that happen if I were staying, that is no way to forge the relationships and teamwork that is needed in MC. I've grouped nearly every active 60 in the guild on some raid or another, and it's helped me learn a lot about what I can expect from them and how they play, you however never did this. Perhaps you did it because you felt raiding 5 man instances with 10 is cheesy, perhaps you felt it was boring, but it's the best prep you can get to going into MC especially since 15 man groups in UBRS aren't exactly a cakewalk at times.
"There are so many 60's in this guild who've been waiting for more 60's to come up - and now that you've arrived, you're quitting? How do you think that makes some of them feel? My level 60 Priest is waiting for raid action - the only reason I missed the last one is because I was busy that day - and your leaving doesn't exact move that along."
I didn't get to 60 first, I can't change that. I did however get to 60, wait a month and a half to two months while raiding with all the 60's that even stuck their head in the channel getting my set as I in turn helped them get theirs. Sure you've waited longer, but then again you haven't done what we have, you haven't geared up with endless runs of endgame instances that just have become clinical and trivial. I could start an alt, but I frankly don't want to, I'll play my 15 bucks a month my way.
"What amazes me is how the people who leave expect that every member of Lurkers is just going to be completely okay with that, hugs and kisses, sad to see you go, etc. Well, I'm not. You're offended by what I'm saying? Tough. I'm just as offended that when you hit 60 you decide that our group isn't good enough for you. So be it. You can't please everyone in this world, and you're not pleasing me. I'm not just going to sit here and get crapped on by you, that's all. So let's all get in an uproar."
To be frank? You were one of the last people I was least concerned with pissing off again due to the fact that you have a 60, and yet have not tried whatsoever to help us organize or go on any of our near nightly raids. You can go into MC without gearing up, but that doesn't mean everyone can. If you sincerely want to take a bunch of rogues with 0 FR... a bunch of priests/mages with quest rewards on and virtually no mana pool then frankly you're doing it all wrong. In molten core you will learn to depend on tanks that are really better described as "beasts", these tanks HAVE to gear up whether or not you feel that raiding is easymode. Raiding scholo/strath/brs is something that everyone should be REQUIRED to do to gear up. If not for their items then for someone elses.
"Again, this is MY opinion and does not represent the stance of the guild. With any guild of appropriate size you will find differences of opinion, and it can be impossible to get along with everyone. Quitting a guild because you don't get along with every single member is a silly idea as well. What I'm saying is, don't expect me to be partying with you (or generally acknowledging you) any time soon. I will refrain from sniping people in guild chat in order to keep the peace from now on. I just got sick of the attitude of certain members yesterday and it came to a head."
People were being civil.... if you have a problem with me, griz, jon then don't type "/g "before you expresss it. I've had quite a few people talk to me via tells or teamspeak, and I've discussed it with them without having to do it publicly.
minor edit: missed a "least"
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