This world is not ours
Abramelin,May 17 2005, 05:38 PM Wrote:You're just explaining what happens to land instead of what should happen.What should be  matters more than what is otherwise there's no point in making progress.
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What should be, in my opinion, is less important than what is. If someone does not recognize what is they will have no frame of reference to decide what should be, no data on what is preventing the achievment of the ideal, and no power to effect change on the status quo. As it was so eloquently put "It's like pissing into the wind." When should be is used as an argument, a reason, and proof for any theory it reminds me of a young child stomping their foot and saying "that's not fair!"



phi·los·o·phy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (f-ls-f)
n. pl. phi·los·o·phies

1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
2. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
3. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
4. The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
5. The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology.
6. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.
8. A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.


Philosophical discussions cannot occur in a vacuum with no reference to other topics or systems. What someone feels about how the world should work is based on the individual's view of the world, thier morals, ethics, education, backround, religious beliefs, economic situation, etc. The philosopher who won't allow others to bring who they are into a discussion is not a philosopher but a know-it-all gradeschooler talking down to his toddler sibling.


Every time I click on this thread and start reading I end up sitting back in my chair taking a deep breath and repeating the same phrase "Ah, the idealism of youth." What is and what should be will never align. We may get close one day in certain areas but man is a selfish, hatefull, and destructive creature with an astounding capacity to love, learn, and survive.


You want to talk should be? Here goes:
There should be no starvation in the world.
There should be no war.
There should be no hate.
There should be no poverty.
There should be no polution.
We should take personal responsibility for our actions.
We should attempt to make the world a better place every day.
We should never stop learning.
We should become better listeners.
We should accept the differences in all people.

This stuff is easy to say but extemely hard to put into practice on a meaningful scale. What should be, what is, and how the world really works must all be used together to achieve any sort of noble goal.
The Bill of No Rights
The United States has become a place where entertainers and professional athletes are mistaken for people of importance. Robert A. Heinlein
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