08-04-2005, 05:29 PM
Raziel,Aug 4 2005, 09:40 AM Wrote:Actually, the new challenges are causing quite a lot of in-guild friction at the moment. It's very easy to see just who is there for the easy loot and who isn't - when the going gets rough, the easy lewts krew stop showing up.
You should all be proud of the fact that Rylea, Galreth and some of the other Lurkers are part of the group that consistently and regularly is there to throw themselves at the new and challenging encounters.
The easy lewts krew is a completely different bunch. Believe it or not, every high end guild gets freeloaders in disguise, and BWL is really good at outing them. The Lurkers who came over are anything but freeloaders. Hell, they're the best recruits we've had in a while in terms of skill and commitment.
You should be proud of them instead of writing them off as loot whores.
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The fact remains that guilds like yours operate by skimming the cream off the top of the 'almost there' guilds, and do it by offering the prospect of the high-end loot quicker than they would have gotten it in their old guild. Of course the 'almost there' guild is unhappy about losing 3 of the people who knew the most about MC/Onyxia/BWL. This will all blow over after a bit, and life goes on, but don't try to dress this up as anything other than what it was. The Lurkers guild wasn't good enough anymore for your three recruits, so they came to you to get to the good stuff quicker.
Raziel, I wish your three recruits and your guild luck. Darian and Tal, I wish you luck, and realize that you will always lose some of your best people to the raid guilds, right when you thought they were going to get your guild to that point. It's the business of the raid guilds to find those people. They don't wish to train anyone before a certain skill level. They leave that to you. You're just the farm system for them, as far as they're concerned. Such is WoW reality. (If you don't believe me about the training and 'farm' comments, go back and read the posts about filling slots from other guilds. Usual raid guild arrogance. They are NOT in the business of training anyone)
Raziel, this is not a personal attack on you, your guild, or the people who moved. Call it commentary, if you want, on the state of affairs in WoW, and how things really work. The smaller guilds train them up, and the best and the brightest who aren't willing to finish the work of building the guild up that they are in, come to you and other raid guilds. You can say the other guild "wasn't ready", "wasn't cohesive", "didn't have the equipment", or any other reason, but it all comes out the same. Some are willing to push a guild over the top, and some aren't.
Well, I've said my piece, for good or ill. Live long and prosper.
--Mav