10-01-2005, 03:50 AM
<The Basin> on Tichondrius (+about 5-10 fill-ins per run from other allied guilds) currently can clear the first 8 MC bosses in a little under 5 hours and is probably a few weeks away from our first Rag kill. We also had all but the last two ZG bosses (and the alchemy one) downed a couple weeks back. I know that's not the context you're talking about, but it is evidence that the Basin variety of cats are herdable. Besides our predeliction to PvP (or just to Horde in my case), the Tich guild's culture is similar to the Stormrage chapter and if you ask our Tich raid leaders about the rank and file you'd hear plenty of griping about people clogging TS at innoportunte times, although up until the Majordomo learning phase we didn't encounter much in the way of people 2nd guessing the leaders during a run. Talking in TS has gotten better to the point where silly banter dissapears when it needs to, and remains when it is doing no harm.
The primary mission of the Basin is to have fun with our friends (we are playing games not working after all). Relevant to the original topic is a small discussion we had on Tichondrius about how to keep our raids fun. For most people who bother to go on raids, killing the monsters efficiently without a ton of downtime inbetween for loot / criticism / afks is what makes a raid fun.
Couple other points on the burnout subject:
- Set a time limit for your raids and within reason, keep to it. More than 4 hours can be really rough, especially if there is wiping and hefty repair bills involved.
- Reinforce the positives. Strangely enough, when people realize they can commit to a 3 hour session and see ~12+ epics drop in that time, signing up for that guaranteed invite spot becomes more attractive.
- Know when to call a raid that's not going well. Too many wipes and even the nicest folks can start turning on each others like wolves. Point out what you've learned, areas to improve for next time, and let it go 'till next time.
The upside to raiding with a community focused on having fun together rather than with those of a traditional power gaming mentality is over the course of an MMO's life cycle, you'll find the fun based group stays together a lot longer. On Tich we've already seen several "power gamer" guilds come and go, and we're still going strong.
*Caveat: I don't really know the state of the Basin on Stormrage, I know a few people (many play alts on Tich), but really I'm just talking about steriotypes that have applied to the guild from game to game (including several other MMOs). Since the post is directed at steriotypes as well, I figured I'd join in on the pile. :P
The primary mission of the Basin is to have fun with our friends (we are playing games not working after all). Relevant to the original topic is a small discussion we had on Tichondrius about how to keep our raids fun. For most people who bother to go on raids, killing the monsters efficiently without a ton of downtime inbetween for loot / criticism / afks is what makes a raid fun.
Couple other points on the burnout subject:
- Set a time limit for your raids and within reason, keep to it. More than 4 hours can be really rough, especially if there is wiping and hefty repair bills involved.
- Reinforce the positives. Strangely enough, when people realize they can commit to a 3 hour session and see ~12+ epics drop in that time, signing up for that guaranteed invite spot becomes more attractive.
- Know when to call a raid that's not going well. Too many wipes and even the nicest folks can start turning on each others like wolves. Point out what you've learned, areas to improve for next time, and let it go 'till next time.
The upside to raiding with a community focused on having fun together rather than with those of a traditional power gaming mentality is over the course of an MMO's life cycle, you'll find the fun based group stays together a lot longer. On Tich we've already seen several "power gamer" guilds come and go, and we're still going strong.
*Caveat: I don't really know the state of the Basin on Stormrage, I know a few people (many play alts on Tich), but really I'm just talking about steriotypes that have applied to the guild from game to game (including several other MMOs). Since the post is directed at steriotypes as well, I figured I'd join in on the pile. :P