Attendance & Burnout

[Kevin]

With all due respect, Skan... I think you totally missed the point he was making, and if I didn't know you better I'd suspect you took offense and stopped reading the moment you saw the first period.

It wasn't boosting the troops by tearing down CM, but boosting the troops by pointing out there's no reason we can't get it together and be as good as CM.  What I took him to mean by "nothing special" is simply that CM players do not somehow outclass Avarice players across the board in terms of skill; the main difference is reduced to motivation and dedication (and, to a certain extent stemming from that, organization), nothing more.
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I think Skan did get it. To me he's saying that CM is special simply because they have gotten farther than all but one other group. When he said that we do have excellent players, leaders and progress later on it seemed to me he got the point. I can see how calling a group of people that have done what only 40 or so others on the server has done nothing special as somewhat insulting. So I'm just saying this now before things go bad. As Darian said I don't think anyone thinks that either Anadrol or Skan was trying to or meant to insult anyone. Things may just not have been worded the best. And yeah I shouldn't let my habit of trying to see from the others point of view put words in someone else's mouth but I really do think both sides were trying to say that avarice can do this.

Anyway, one of avarices weaknesses is also one of our strengths. I do believe that we will be able to do what Critical Mass has done. However we are trying to do the amazing thing of being a group of everything for everyone. We have people that would like to raid every night that are holding back to help out others and be fair to people that only want to raid 1 or 2 nights a week at most and do other things. We have people that are raiding a little more than they might like to to be fair and friendly to those who want to raid every night of the week. The fact that we so far have succeeded pretty well in doing this is amazing. People have rearranged schedules a bit to be on the raids we do set-up.

So what do I ask of avarice members? Well if you do enjoy the raids, and with the loot system going into place and a more consistent pool of players and a better sign up system and a bit more structure getting done, please try to be there. If you are happy raiding 3 or 4 nights a week please give us another week or so of time (I'm not asking for months here) without jumping ship to another guild. If you are in multiple guilds with multiple 60's but still want to hang with this group talk to us. We'll get our strategies posted soon so that new people can not come in cold this will help with some of the slow downs we have had. I want to get back to Majordomo and we can do it with 3 raids a week if people show up, as was mentioned. I understand if you prefer leveling an alt, just look at my sig and that doesn't even have all my characters in it, or playing on another server. Just keep trying for another week or two.

Let the past sit in the past. If you had a beef with someone over something try to let it go. Let the new structure and organization get in place and see if that helps out.

I believe we can be a successful mostly casual raiding group. I think we can succeed even if we have only 10 people there every night with 30 others shuffling through. We need different organization and structure than we had been using and we are trying to fix that but well this is a game and none of the leaders are going to take time for work, or health recovery, or completely eliminate our fun as well to try and get all this done, so yeah it's taken us a long time. This is a game, have fun with it. If avarice has not been fun for you lately all I'm asking for is one more raid cycle and a little understanding that we are trying to high end raid without that being the only or even main focus of this group. Realize that if we pull that off we'll be a pretty small group that has managed to do that as well. Just like Critical Mass and DaKor are pretty special for getting as far as they have, think about how special a group of 80 - 100 people that some nights want to play an alt over going on a 40 man raid or want to play on a PvPRP server or want to PvP instead of raid are. A group that can make progress with 20 people brand new to Molten Core and can keep most of those people happy most of the time.