C'Thun: Uberguilds reveal details...

[Hedon]

In an unprecedented move members of "very" well known guilds such as:

Elitist Jerks;
Death and Taxes;
Afterlife;
Ascent;
Immortality;

et al.

began to publicly discuss C'Thun Strategies after 1,5 month of futile attempts on said boss. Considering that this is still worldwide unbeaten content this is more than unusual.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.a...ns&T=458457&P=2

Dares's post above basically nails it completely. I don't agree that Phase 1 needs to be toned down, honestly -- on our better days, we'd consistently get to phase 2 in about 6 minutes, with 38-39 alive (40 if we wanted to use battle rezzes), and good mana. It's fine. In theory there are unfair and unlucky ways to die in phase 1. In practice those "unlucky" things seem to happen to some people a whole lot more than others, and never happen at all to still others.

Anyway, phase 2. Basically, I don't think many people really care much about "trade secrets" anymore. I just want to see C'Thun killed, and I don't really care remotely as much as I once did if we're the first to do it. Some further insight into C'Thun phase 2:

Every 30 seconds, 8 small eye tentacles pop up, spread throughout the room. They immediately begin mind flaying a random target in the room for 750/second, unresistable. Each has 2300 hp. If all 8 don't die within a couple of seconds of spawning, people are taking some serious damage. On two separate 40-second timers, C'Thun summons two types of giant tentacles. He randomly targets players and summons the tentacles under them. Anyone with a spawn beneath them, or near that spawn, takes 3k-4k damage and goes flying across the room. Both types of tentacles melee for >1.5k on a t2-geared tank. They hurt. Giant Claws thrash, and will one-shot anyone who is not a tank. If untanked, they will burrow and reemerge beneath healers, doing that fun 3k-4k damage + knockback effect. This means a dead healer. The other type of tentacle is a Giant Eye, which repeatedly uses the same Eye Beam attack that the Eye of C'Thun uses in Phase 1. The Claws have >90k hp, and the Eyes have ~40k. There is no cap on the number of Giant Tentacles that can be alive at once. We've seen 5 Claws and 2 Eyes at the same time, which is fun, let me tell you. Throughout this all, every 10 seconds, C'Thun eats a player, teleporting them into his stomach, where they have other hazards to deal with.

Basically, over the course of every 60 second period, the encounter requires your raid to do roughly 230k damage in order to keep up with the various spawns. Now, a 40-man raid can certainly accomplish that on a single target. But when some people are in C'Thun's stomach, and the targets of that DPS are spread throughout the room, and when clustering at all (i.e., to melee burn down a specific tentacle) means that you get destroyed by a spawning tentacle or a jumping eye beam, the end result is simply impossible.

I would love for someone to prove me wrong.

Been tried. Basically, anything you might think of, it's been tried. After a couple of weeks of beating our heads against phase 2 head-on, we came to the conclusion that there had to be some gimmick because the fight was impossible otherwise. We tried basically everything, and if we didn't, I can guarantee you that one of the hundreds of other creative tacticians working on this fight across multiple continents did.

There's also a rather insightful thread on the EJ forums:

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/index.php...=6456&st=0


and a rather angry one on the DnT forums:

http://www.dtguild.com/forum/showthread.ph...55&page=1&pp=10


as well as video snippet of the EJs C'thun attempts:

http://files.filefront.com/funwithtentacle...;/fileinfo.html