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[kandrathe]

I believe I called your statements childish and ungrateful.

Which part would you call childish? The one where he says you are a conservative tea partier? Rofl! Or, the implication that you engage in a homosexual act?

For young idealists, trashing capitalism has been in vogue since the late 1800's gave rise to the abuses of the industrial revolution, and yet there is some form of it in every nation (to my knowledge). Before industrialists, the wealthy were known as "the ruling class" and supported monarchy.

China would be one of the best examples of what happens with, and without capitalism. Were it not for their usurpation of the rule of law and lack of egalitarianism, they could be the most powerful nation on the planet (due to their economic power). It is childish to expect handouts, and to get something for nothing. What could be more paternal than to expect to be taken care of by the State, and to renounce your ability own property. I don't favor the abuses of capitalism, but I do think we need to rely on the fruits of capitalism. One of which is that we will take care of things that we own, but we won't care as much about something we are merely using. If our children have the potential to inherit this thing we own, we will endeavor to keep it in good condition. Ownership by the state removes both the positive and negative emotions, and often the utility (e.g. in the extreme, who wants a communal toothbrush).

"If markets reflect human choice of actions, then competition is at its heart. When competition is understood to be the logical outcome of choices that drive economic behavior, then markets can be seen as a pure, if crude, form of democracy. And the outcomes can be crude indeed. However, contempt and condemnation for market outcomes reflects an elitist view of the choices of the unwashed and ill-tutored. Those who accept such nonsense have taken the notion of "fallen man" a bit too far while being equipped with too little knowledge. It might be said that the market, like democracy, is the worst economic system available except all the others." -- Dr. Christopher Lingle

I would love to see D1 reworked with more modern graphics, and since they still own it, they might do that someday. Were it in the public domain, then any aspiring competitor would be able to alter it in anyway they wanted. Anyone who saw the Gus Van Sant remake of 'Psycho' can see the negative potential if a classic gets into the wrong hands.

The Diablo series, and the game company exist because the US affords the rights of people to own intellectual property, including copyrights on software and designs. The tremendous hardware we enjoy playing these games on keeps doubling in power every few years directly due to the competition between manufacturers of the computers, components, and chips. Competition has been a characteristic of humanity since a cave man one day hauled in the bigger antelope to camp, and scored the hottest gatherer babes. Then the other geeky cave men invented socialism.

It's nothing more than an excuse by the wealthy and powerful to exploit those who have less resources or who are less fortunate and to promote social darwinism in other socially constructed aspects be it imperialism, racism, or otherwise; then turn it around and use the folklore that you described to justify its means to an end, regardless of the human suffering, alienation, and exploitation it both creates and manifests.

Because, the Marxist movements over the past millennium have been so bloodless? Tyranny in any form is evil, when wielded by oligarchs, theocrats, industrialists, or social engineers.



Just between the Soviets and China you have 100 million deaths based on anti-capitalism and, then we could talk about the Khmer Rouge, and Pol Pot for a couple million more dead... So, get off the high horse. And... I'm not trying to white wash the blood trail of greed, from *real* Imperialism, exploitation, pollution, and other suffering at the hands of economic tyranny. Marx envisioned a world without the need for a "State", a place evolved to beyond socialism, and communism. The motivation of the wealthy is merely a return on investment, and whatever evil occurs in capitalism results from amorally following that axiom. It is easy to demagogue "the wealthy" as an uncaring, group of money grubbing scrooges. I offer you Bill Gates as an example. I mean it's pretty shocking how just the global health care portion of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation contributes more to world health than the entire UN World Health Organization.

However, we've seen repeatedly that once the "State" (in any form) gets enough power, it is misused and tyranny results. The revolutionary experiment in the US was to try to build a form of limited government, where the power remains with the people (not the corporations, or any government). It's still a work in progress and we've strayed a bit lately from that ideal. The "tea party" that you denounced are in favor of personal freedom through returning to limited government, but not, by and large, in favor of unfettering the reasonable restrictions on corporate responsibilities (e.g. pollution, fair labor, non-discrimination, etc.

Anyway, that's just this Nazi forum trolls opinion.