06-15-2011, 08:50 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-15-2011, 09:02 PM by FireIceTalon.)
(06-15-2011, 08:32 PM)shoju Wrote: You certainly do make wonderful accusations. I wouldn't be caught dead in a room that had Faux News on.
45 million people living in poverty is ~18% of the country in poverty. That, last time I checked is pretty freaking stellar compared to MANY nations.
If you don't even live in the US, you aren't really qualified to speak about the day to day danger of Harlem the way someone who has spent time volunteering there has. Please don't speak about Harlem in such broad terms and damn the residents of the neighborhood if you know nothing about them except what you have heard on the news in a different country. So pardon me if I discount your opinion. There have been plenty of people who have made it out of Harlem, Out of Skid Row in LA, Out of the worst neighborhoods in our country and gone on to be amazing examples of their profession.
Comparing us to other worse off nations to try and make us look better than we are will not help your argument. 18% of people living in poverty, in what is supposed to be the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world, is dismal. And on the HDI index, we rank #11 last I looked. For being the leading advanced democracy in the world, that number, is again, dismal. In the big scheme of things, this looks good, but compared to most of the advanced industrialized nations in the world, we are near the bottom. France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, and Finland absolutely own us in terms of economic prosperity, equality, and overall quality of life and happiness (maybe Germany not so much now, but at least in the past).
Second, I do live in the US, in Los Angeles in fact, in a ok (not great, not terrible) neighborhood, and have lived here all my life (unfortunately). So yes, if that is one of the qualifications that is needed to make a judgement, I believe I meet that expectation and then some. And im not making broad generalizations attacking the people in Harlem, lol. Afterall, im a Marxist, im fighting for their cause, not against it
Yes, people have made it out of these bad areas and achieved success, but once again, they are a very small minority.....EXCEPTION, NOT RULE.Capitalism is not free will, it is social darwinism. It is only free will for those who have the necessary resources to fall back on, aka the rich. For everyone else, no.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)