06-15-2011, 09:37 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-15-2011, 09:57 PM by FireIceTalon.)
(06-15-2011, 09:21 PM)Jester Wrote:(06-14-2011, 09:33 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: Your post defeats itself. Good day sir.
I had a post written, but this gem really encapsulates the entire thing. Your posts have taken nonsensical ranting, self-contradiction, and a total disregard for everyone else's arguments to an entirely new level. I can't decide whether you are ignorant of the relevant history, ignoring it by living in a fantasy world, or both. (Clue no. 1: "Marxist" and "Totalitarian" can, and frequently do, describe the same thing. Labels are not exclusive.)
You're either trolling, or you can't help it. Either way.
-Jester
Hate to break it to you, so far not one of you has given me a convincing argument as to why Im wrong. Its just the typical Tea Bagger rhetoric that ive read a million times elsewhere that doesnt even need statistics to prove wrong, but simple logic and conventional wisdom does the trick. Considering im a political science/history major and sociology minor, I think I know what im talking about, but since you equate Marxism with being the same thing Totalitarianism (lmao!), it appears you dont. But this is typical of right wing nut jobs. You guys suffer from putting your own perspective on history (in particular American History) then accounting for actual facts, buy into the various myths entrenched in our culture (even though most of them are horseshit, such as everyone having equality of opportunity...if you cant even acknowledge that certain groups of people are marginalized in society more than others we cannot even have this discussion much less agree on it), blind patriotism, hypocrisy, anti-intellectualism (someone who has greater knowledge than you is automatically an elitist), and false consciousness that relies on myth and folklore rather than rationality or even blatant statistics that prove you wrong (seen throughout yours and your fellow capitalistic fanboys arguments in this thread). This is why I cant talk to right wing nut jobs, because they have no clue what they are talking about. Though even if they did know, our fundamental differences on how we see the world are probably not compatible or at least reconcilable. Anyway, have at it.
Here is a couple recommendations for you:
http://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-Un...952&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/America-Working-Pe...pd_sim_b_1
https://www.youtube.com/user/FireIceTalon
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)