(06-21-2017, 08:49 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote:(06-21-2017, 06:42 PM)eppie Wrote: Atheist assumes that theism is the norm (or truth) while belonging to a group in a discussion about life stance based on the fact that you don't really know doesn't seem a good basis for anything to me.
I think you meant agnostic?
Atheism is the firm position that no god or higher deity exists, and that atheism is the default position for every person until the concept of theism is learned.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant the word atheist. a-theist.
I prefer humanist or so, or scientist.
Otherwise the could call it a-flyingspaghetimonsterist as well.
(06-21-2017, 08:47 PM)Ashock Wrote: For example, after the Trump election, one of the managers at my work (very liberal area btw) said this to me: "Can you believe that this happened and we now have Trump as President?" The young me would have said, sure I do and also I voted for Trump. The current day me said, yeah... can you believe how completely wrong all the pollsters were? Now, the truly PC answer would have been, yeah.... I can't believe it. That's not me.
However, just the fact that I had to hide the fact that I voted for Trump is not a good thing. It's not a slippery slope, it's a cliff. I know I'm not the only one who needs to dance that way.
As far as an agnostic being just a scared atheist, perhaps some are. I've been one since 30, which is not the age when you feel your mortality. As far as that not being a good basis for anything, that is irrelevant. It is simply a fact. I do not have enough data to make up my mind either way, although the idea of a strictly Biblical god seems unlikely to me, which is possibly the result of my early childhood. There are however, other possible alternatives to a Biblical god.
Interesting.....I like this post of yours a lot more than other of your posts.
I am surprised you would have to hide voting for the winner. Also, I think usually being a republican would be a positive thing for your career in the US.
Maybe your issue would be more with being non-religious. I have the feeling the non-religious are being discriminated against in the US (not only the US by the way, in most of the world atheists are being discriminated against....even in countries like germany and sweden).
In the US it seems you can beat up journalists or tell you grab women by the pussy and get elected.....but stating god does not exist would probably instantly give you 95% less votes.