The Iraq War retrospective Thread

[Chesspiece_face]

You are taking "I agree with that intellectually, but my feelings are that the SOB deserved it." out of context

You're right, i did take that out of context. I incorrectly remembered the statement to be directly referring to Saddam Hussein and as an extension a rational for the war.

I think that my point here is not to necissarily point out logical flaws in your argument but to point out that if you want to have a logical argument then you need to have agreed upon assumptions. In this case one pre-argreed upon assumption which is necissary for the debate is how you define the morality of actions, which actions are righteous and just and which are not. The reason so many people in this topic, and in general when discussing these issues, end up saying things like "if you can't see that then i don't know what else to say" is because they aren't coming to the debate with the same assumptions.

Your statement that Nations are different than Individuals and thus the morality we place on their actions is different is by definition Relative. It's not a wrong defintion, but like i said if you want to debate the war in retrospect the main question is always was the war just and to answer that you need to define morality.

Ironically, when i think about the war I tend to use the same perspective of morality as Bush and Cheney. The Utilitarian perspective. Although I come to a completely different conclusion as they do. Bush constantly says that history will judge his decisions. His point is that in the long run the sum of good that will come from the war will outweigh the sum of bad. I think if we are to just look at the timeframe we have now there is no reasonable way you can say the the sum of good has been more than the sum of bad. And I don't foresee that changing in the future.

P.S. I love debating logic on the internet.