Patch 2.1.2 preliminary notes

[Quark]

Based on my PvP experience with rogues at 60 (my rogue is still 60, but I took her very close to rank 12, so I have some experience with it) I'd venture to guess the exact same thing is true of rogues without Prep.

You'd be wrong. Prep is no longer the beast it was before TBC. All it really buys you any more is an extra Vanish. I have been under different specs, believe it or not, and the Mutilate foundation is the most solid for a dagger rogue in PvP. A subtlety dagger rogue cannot generate the combo points necessary to both control and deal damage at the same time. If I was purely PvP specced, there are a few things I would change, but the general basis would stay the same to the various Mutilate builds I've been using since TBC was released. Ironically, the biggest overall change? I'd be more powerful versus other rogues.

Except you can still do major amounts of disruption without prep. They trink out of Sap... that trinket is no longer available if he gets feared or cycloned or blinded.

You're not getting it. I'm already using all these options and can regularly run into issues. But now the best option I have, a once-a-match Blind, is easily removed.

Rogues have one of THE power combinations in 2v2, so I'm not sad to see this affect rogues and druids more than anyone else. Both are still incredibly valueable. Even if someone trinkets out of it, other forms of CC are then applicable.

In fact I just looked at all the 2v2 teams rated >2350 that also have more than 200 wins in my in my battlegroup and 6 have rogues in them, 6 don't. Yeah, warrior paladin is up there, but rogues are way up there in terms of 2v2 importance. Rogues don't realistically have all that much to complain about in 2v2 and 3v3 areanas (5v5 is another story). They still have lots of power in arenas.

I just tried going through that list and found 3 rogues total that weren't dragged up there by others (they actually played a decent amount of games).